Thread: Seth McFarlane

18 posts.

Heheheh…

I was as shocked as you when I saw he was a producer months back but when I
saw an interview with NdGT about it made a lot more sense.

Can’t find the original interview but here’s one with Seth and while I don’t
have a ton of use for Family Guy you can’t deny he’s right about the lack of
Science literacy in the world and if this makes people wonder and question
things well I’m all for that.

http://youtu.be/Ua5xqQpZp8Q

My 7 year old is kind of on and off about the program, he’s the poster child
for ADHD and when he’s got the focus he’s onboard for it but when the focus
dwindles it’s difficult for him to concentrate long enough to connect the
thoughts. Oddly he cheers every time Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking
are mentioned, although he doesn’t really understand what they’re about
they’re his hero’s for some weird reason. I’ll just go with it.

It probably started when he was about 5 and I was watching something about
the theory of relativity on the TV and after this long discussion on the TV
that he really didn’t seem to be following he looked at me and said. “So
they’re saying that an object in space bends and twists the fabric of space
around it?”

From: []
On Behalf Of
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 10:36 AM
To:
Subject: RE: [Traveller_TNE] Re: TNE - Stellar failure

> On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated the
> “high-pop hostile” world. I really hate those, too, and (with the horrible
> upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse to
> ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I initially
> went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)

I remember some early pre-TNE conversations where Frank saw the Hard
Times, post-Rebellion, eventually Collapse dynamic as an in-game "silver
lining" way to get rid of those worlds.

Not an invalid thought, but you'd still have players and RC going to them
to scrounge vacuum-preserved goodies. And there was also the dynamic that
star change introduced into it. In addition to the Hi-Pop airless rocks
you also had the Hi-Pop worlds with atmospheres around stars with no
habitable zones, which worked out almost the same way, because you still
had to put the population under domes or underground to provide artificial
heat. Fixing the stars would allow them to survive without technology, but
would require the "Collapser" to remember to fix the star before applying
"Collapsing." That is the way it ought to have been done. Maybe the
Gelinas article Alan mentioned in Challenge 77 goes into that, as I am
clearly leery of saying, "this is what we did, and we succeeded," where
that dynamic is involved.

By the way, I had the TV on last night and watched some of the new
"Cosmos" series on Fox, and I realized what the root of all my problems
is.

The executive producer of the new "Cosmos" is Seth McFarlane (Family Guy,
American Dad, Cleveland Show).

Clearly, everything that I thought I knew about anything is wrong. Just
wrong.

> Ø Oh look, there's Alell. Never mind, DED, we found it.
>
>
>
> Oh look, there is a big ol’ screw-up on me.
>
>
>
> The physical characteristics of Alell are 467. So, yes, indeed, it should
> have had one of its stars increased to be F-K. I probably should have made
> it have stellar data of “K7V M7V”. I dunno why I screwed it up. Maybe I
> thought two M7Vs in a tight formation would have produced enough heat?
> Regardless, I should have definitely bumped it. Maybe I could have swapped
> it around with Boughene and make Boughene be an M7V, and Alell be a K7V
> M7V
> so as to try and keep the distribution a little more like the original.
>
>
>
> On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated the
> “high-pop hostile” world. I really hate those, too, and (with the horrible
> upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse to
> ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I initially
> went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
>
>
>
> Mike West
>
>
>
>
>
>

I haven't watched since I saw the mendacious propaganda on Giordano Bruno
and its complete misrepresentation of history. Definitely unworthy of
Sagan's series.

- Sent from my SM-N900T
On Apr 7, 2014 10:54 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote:

>
>
> Heheheh...
>
>
>
> I was as shocked as you when I saw he was a producer months back but when
> I saw an interview with NdGT about it made a lot more sense.
>
>
>
> Can't find the original interview but here's one with Seth and while I
> don't have a ton of use for Family Guy you can't deny he's right about the
> lack of Science literacy in the world and if this makes people wonder and
> question things well I'm all for that.
>
>
>
> http://youtu.be/Ua5xqQpZp8Q
>
>
>
> My 7 year old is kind of on and off about the program, he's the poster
> child for ADHD and when he's got the focus he's onboard for it but when the
> focus dwindles it's difficult for him to concentrate long enough to connect
> the thoughts. Oddly he cheers every time Albert Einstein and Stephen
> Hawking are mentioned, although he doesn't really understand what they're
> about they're his hero's for some weird reason. I'll just go with it.
>
>
>
> It probably started when he was about 5 and I was watching something about
> the theory of relativity on the TV and after this long discussion on the TV
> that he really didn't seem to be following he looked at me and said. "So
> they're saying that an object in space bends and twists the fabric of space
> around it?"
>
>
>
> *From:* [
> ] *On Behalf Of *
> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 10:36 AM
> *To:*
> *Subject:* RE: [Traveller_TNE] Re: TNE - Stellar failure
>
>
>
>
>
> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated the
> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with the
> horrible
> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse to
> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I initially
> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
>
> I remember some early pre-TNE conversations where Frank saw the Hard
> Times, post-Rebellion, eventually Collapse dynamic as an in-game "silver
> lining" way to get rid of those worlds.
>
> Not an invalid thought, but you'd still have players and RC going to them
> to scrounge vacuum-preserved goodies. And there was also the dynamic that
> star change introduced into it. In addition to the Hi-Pop airless rocks
> you also had the Hi-Pop worlds with atmospheres around stars with no
> habitable zones, which worked out almost the same way, because you still
> had to put the population under domes or underground to provide artificial
> heat. Fixing the stars would allow them to survive without technology, but
> would require the "Collapser" to remember to fix the star before applying
> "Collapsing." That is the way it ought to have been done. Maybe the
> Gelinas article Alan mentioned in Challenge 77 goes into that, as I am
> clearly leery of saying, "this is what we did, and we succeeded," where
> that dynamic is involved.
>
> By the way, I had the TV on last night and watched some of the new
> "Cosmos" series on Fox, and I realized what the root of all my problems
> is.
>
> The executive producer of the new "Cosmos" is Seth McFarlane (Family Guy,
> American Dad, Cleveland Show).
>
> Clearly, everything that I thought I knew about anything is wrong. Just
> wrong.
>
> > Ø Oh look, there's Alell. Never mind, DED, we found it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Oh look, there is a big ol' screw-up on me.
> >
> >
> >
> > The physical characteristics of Alell are 467. So, yes, indeed, it should
> > have had one of its stars increased to be F-K. I probably should have
> made
> > it have stellar data of "K7V M7V". I dunno why I screwed it up. Maybe I
> > thought two M7Vs in a tight formation would have produced enough heat?
> > Regardless, I should have definitely bumped it. Maybe I could have
> swapped
> > it around with Boughene and make Boughene be an M7V, and Alell be a K7V
> > M7V
> > so as to try and keep the distribution a little more like the original.
> >
> >
> >
> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated the
> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with the
> horrible
> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse to
> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I initially
> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike West
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
You looked of course at the writers and noticed that the people who wrote
the original Cosmos wrote this one as well. Well except for Sagan but I
guess we’ll have to excuse him for not putting his 2 cents worth into this
one. J

It’s been a few weeks since I watched the first episode so I don’t recall
100% what was said about Bruno but the essence of the individual was there.
Benedictine monk, heliocentric solar system, excommunicated by the church,
thought some crazy things, wandered Europe, burned at that stake. The
problem with History is it’s written by the victors and being burned at the
stake doesn’t count as a victory in my mind. Was Bruno a weird guy who
wrote a lot of crazy things? Yes. Did he come up with an idea that no one
else had come up with? Yes.

To be honest if the average person walked away from the episode learning
that the Earth goes around the sun and not the other way around… USA I’m
looking in your direction here… I’d be happy.

http://time.com/7809/1-in-4-americans-thinks-sun-orbits-earth/

From: []
On Behalf Of Master Uxi
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 11:05 AM
To:
Subject: Re: [Traveller_TNE] Seth McFarlane

I haven't watched since I saw the mendacious propaganda on Giordano Bruno
and its complete misrepresentation of history. Definitely unworthy of
Sagan's series.

- Sent from my SM-N900T

On Apr 7, 2014 10:54 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote:

Heheheh…

I was as shocked as you when I saw he was a producer months back but when I
saw an interview with NdGT about it made a lot more sense.

Can’t find the original interview but here’s one with Seth and while I don’t
have a ton of use for Family Guy you can’t deny he’s right about the lack of
Science literacy in the world and if this makes people wonder and question
things well I’m all for that.

http://youtu.be/Ua5xqQpZp8Q

My 7 year old is kind of on and off about the program, he’s the poster child
for ADHD and when he’s got the focus he’s onboard for it but when the focus
dwindles it’s difficult for him to concentrate long enough to connect the
thoughts. Oddly he cheers every time Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking
are mentioned, although he doesn’t really understand what they’re about
they’re his hero’s for some weird reason. I’ll just go with it.

It probably started when he was about 5 and I was watching something about
the theory of relativity on the TV and after this long discussion on the TV
that he really didn’t seem to be following he looked at me and said. “So
they’re saying that an object in space bends and twists the fabric of space
around it?”

From: []
On Behalf Of
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 10:36 AM
To:
Subject: RE: [Traveller_TNE] Re: TNE - Stellar failure

> On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated the
> “high-pop hostile” world. I really hate those, too, and (with the horrible
> upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse to
> ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I initially
> went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)

I remember some early pre-TNE conversations where Frank saw the Hard
Times, post-Rebellion, eventually Collapse dynamic as an in-game "silver
lining" way to get rid of those worlds.

Not an invalid thought, but you'd still have players and RC going to them
to scrounge vacuum-preserved goodies. And there was also the dynamic that
star change introduced into it. In addition to the Hi-Pop airless rocks
you also had the Hi-Pop worlds with atmospheres around stars with no
habitable zones, which worked out almost the same way, because you still
had to put the population under domes or underground to provide artificial
heat. Fixing the stars would allow them to survive without technology, but
would require the "Collapser" to remember to fix the star before applying
"Collapsing." That is the way it ought to have been done. Maybe the
Gelinas article Alan mentioned in Challenge 77 goes into that, as I am
clearly leery of saying, "this is what we did, and we succeeded," where
that dynamic is involved.

By the way, I had the TV on last night and watched some of the new
"Cosmos" series on Fox, and I realized what the root of all my problems
is.

The executive producer of the new "Cosmos" is Seth McFarlane (Family Guy,
American Dad, Cleveland Show).

Clearly, everything that I thought I knew about anything is wrong. Just
wrong.

> Ø Oh look, there's Alell. Never mind, DED, we found it.
>
>
>
> Oh look, there is a big ol’ screw-up on me.
>
>
>
> The physical characteristics of Alell are 467. So, yes, indeed, it should
> have had one of its stars increased to be F-K. I probably should have made
> it have stellar data of “K7V M7V”. I dunno why I screwed it up. Maybe I
> thought two M7Vs in a tight formation would have produced enough heat?
> Regardless, I should have definitely bumped it. Maybe I could have swapped
> it around with Boughene and make Boughene be an M7V, and Alell be a K7V
> M7V
> so as to try and keep the distribution a little more like the original.
>
>
>
> On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated the
> “high-pop hostile” world. I really hate those, too, and (with the horrible
> upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse to
> ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I initially
> went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
>
>
>
> Mike West
>
>
>
>
>
>

Kids, I think, all have ADHD to some degree ... apparently ignoring a conversation and then coming in with some zinger of a question is typical in my experience
Tim

On Monday, April 7, 2014 12:04 PM, Master Uxi <> wrote:

 
>I haven't watched since I saw the mendacious propaganda on Giordano Bruno and its complete misrepresentation of history.  Definitely unworthy of Sagan's series.
>- Sent from my SM-N900T
>On Apr 7, 2014 10:54 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote:
>
>
>> 
>>Heheheh…
>> 
>>I was as shocked as you when I saw he was a producer months back but when I saw an interview with NdGT about it made a lot more sense.
>> 
>>Can’t find the original interview but here’s one with Seth and while I don’t have a ton of use for Family Guy you can’t deny he’s right about the lack of Science literacy in the world and if this makes people wonder and question things well I’m all for that.
>> 
>>http://youtu.be/Ua5xqQpZp8Q
>> 
>>My 7 year old is kind of on and off about the program, he’s the poster child for ADHD and when he’s got the focus he’s onboard for it but when the focus dwindles it’s difficult for him to concentrate long enough to connect the thoughts.  Oddly he cheers every time Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking are mentioned, although he doesn’t really understand what they’re about they’re his hero’s for some weird reason.  I’ll just go with it.
>> 
>>It probably started when he was about 5 and I was watching something about the theory of relativity on the TV and after this long discussion on the TV that he really didn’t seem to be following he looked at me and said.  “So they’re saying that an object in space bends and twists the fabric of space around it?”
>> 
>>From: [] On Behalf Of
>>Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 10:36 AM
>>To:
>>Subject: RE: [Traveller_TNE] Re: TNE - Stellar failure
>> 
>> 
>>> On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated the
>>> “high-pop hostile” world. I really hate those, too, and (with the horrible
>>> upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse to
>>> ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I initially
>>> went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
>>
>>I remember some early pre-TNE conversations where Frank saw the Hard
>>Times, post-Rebellion, eventually Collapse dynamic as an in-game "silver
>>lining" way to get rid of those worlds.
>>
>>Not an invalid thought, but you'd still have players and RC going to them
>>to scrounge vacuum-preserved goodies. And there was also the dynamic that
>>star change introduced into it. In addition to the Hi-Pop airless rocks
>>you also had the Hi-Pop worlds with atmospheres around stars with no
>>habitable zones, which worked out almost the same way, because you still
>>had to put the population under domes or underground to provide artificial
>>heat. Fixing the stars would allow them to survive without technology, but
>>would require the "Collapser" to remember to fix the star before applying
>>"Collapsing." That is the way it ought to have been done. Maybe the
>>Gelinas article Alan mentioned in Challenge 77 goes into that, as I am
>>clearly leery of saying, "this is what we did, and we succeeded," where
>>that dynamic is involved.
>>
>>By the way, I had the TV on last night and watched some of the new
>>"Cosmos" series on Fox, and I realized what the root of all my problems
>>is.
>>
>>The executive producer of the new "Cosmos" is Seth McFarlane (Family Guy,
>>American Dad, Cleveland Show).
>>
>>Clearly, everything that I thought I knew about anything is wrong. Just
>>wrong.
>>
>>> Ø Oh look, there's Alell. Never mind, DED, we found it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh look, there is a big ol’ screw-up on me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The physical characteristics of Alell are 467. So, yes, indeed, it should
>>> have had one of its stars increased to be F-K. I probably should have made
>>> it have stellar data of “K7V M7V”. I dunno why I screwed it up. Maybe I
>>> thought two M7Vs in a tight formation would have produced enough heat?
>>> Regardless, I should have definitely bumped it. Maybe I could have swapped
>>> it around with Boughene and make Boughene be an M7V, and Alell be a K7V
>>> M7V
>>> so as to try and keep the distribution a little more like the original.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated the
>>> “high-pop hostile” world. I really hate those, too, and (with the horrible
>>> upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse to
>>> ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I initially
>>> went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike West
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
The show made him out to be a martyr for astronomy/science (similar to hiw
Galileo's issues are usually misrepresented) when instead his cosmological
ideas were more like astrology and based on occultist cosmology. Bruno was
no scientist and never pretended to be.

A viewer without any knowledge will come away with decent science, perhaps
but a completely dishonest portrayal of Bruno as a man, as well as why he
burned.

- Sent from my SM-N900T
On Apr 7, 2014 11:32 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote:

>
>
> You looked of course at the writers and noticed that the people who wrote
> the original Cosmos wrote this one as well. Well except for Sagan but I
> guess we'll have to excuse him for not putting his 2 cents worth into this
> one. J
>
>
>
> It's been a few weeks since I watched the first episode so I don't recall
> 100% what was said about Bruno but the essence of the individual was
> there. Benedictine monk, heliocentric solar system, excommunicated by the
> church, thought some crazy things, wandered Europe, burned at that stake.
> The problem with History is it's written by the victors and being burned at
> the stake doesn't count as a victory in my mind. Was Bruno a weird guy who
> wrote a lot of crazy things? Yes. Did he come up with an idea that no one
> else had come up with? Yes.
>
>
>
> To be honest if the average person walked away from the episode learning
> that the Earth goes around the sun and not the other way around... USA I'm
> looking in your direction here... I'd be happy.
>
>
>
> http://time.com/7809/1-in-4-americans-thinks-sun-orbits-earth/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* [
> ] *On Behalf Of *Master Uxi
> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 11:05 AM
> *To:*
> *Subject:* Re: [Traveller_TNE] Seth McFarlane
>
>
>
>
>
> I haven't watched since I saw the mendacious propaganda on Giordano Bruno
> and its complete misrepresentation of history. Definitely unworthy of
> Sagan's series.
>
> - Sent from my SM-N900T
>
> On Apr 7, 2014 10:54 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote:
>
>
>
> Heheheh...
>
>
>
> I was as shocked as you when I saw he was a producer months back but when
> I saw an interview with NdGT about it made a lot more sense.
>
>
>
> Can't find the original interview but here's one with Seth and while I
> don't have a ton of use for Family Guy you can't deny he's right about the
> lack of Science literacy in the world and if this makes people wonder and
> question things well I'm all for that.
>
>
>
> http://youtu.be/Ua5xqQpZp8Q
>
>
>
> My 7 year old is kind of on and off about the program, he's the poster
> child for ADHD and when he's got the focus he's onboard for it but when the
> focus dwindles it's difficult for him to concentrate long enough to connect
> the thoughts. Oddly he cheers every time Albert Einstein and Stephen
> Hawking are mentioned, although he doesn't really understand what they're
> about they're his hero's for some weird reason. I'll just go with it.
>
>
>
> It probably started when he was about 5 and I was watching something about
> the theory of relativity on the TV and after this long discussion on the TV
> that he really didn't seem to be following he looked at me and said. "So
> they're saying that an object in space bends and twists the fabric of space
> around it?"
>
>
>
> *From:* [
> ] *On Behalf Of *
> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 10:36 AM
> *To:*
> *Subject:* RE: [Traveller_TNE] Re: TNE - Stellar failure
>
>
>
>
>
> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated the
> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with the
> horrible
> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse to
> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I initially
> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
>
> I remember some early pre-TNE conversations where Frank saw the Hard
> Times, post-Rebellion, eventually Collapse dynamic as an in-game "silver
> lining" way to get rid of those worlds.
>
> Not an invalid thought, but you'd still have players and RC going to them
> to scrounge vacuum-preserved goodies. And there was also the dynamic that
> star change introduced into it. In addition to the Hi-Pop airless rocks
> you also had the Hi-Pop worlds with atmospheres around stars with no
> habitable zones, which worked out almost the same way, because you still
> had to put the population under domes or underground to provide artificial
> heat. Fixing the stars would allow them to survive without technology, but
> would require the "Collapser" to remember to fix the star before applying
> "Collapsing." That is the way it ought to have been done. Maybe the
> Gelinas article Alan mentioned in Challenge 77 goes into that, as I am
> clearly leery of saying, "this is what we did, and we succeeded," where
> that dynamic is involved.
>
> By the way, I had the TV on last night and watched some of the new
> "Cosmos" series on Fox, and I realized what the root of all my problems
> is.
>
> The executive producer of the new "Cosmos" is Seth McFarlane (Family Guy,
> American Dad, Cleveland Show).
>
> Clearly, everything that I thought I knew about anything is wrong. Just
> wrong.
>
> > Ø Oh look, there's Alell. Never mind, DED, we found it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Oh look, there is a big ol' screw-up on me.
> >
> >
> >
> > The physical characteristics of Alell are 467. So, yes, indeed, it should
> > have had one of its stars increased to be F-K. I probably should have
> made
> > it have stellar data of "K7V M7V". I dunno why I screwed it up. Maybe I
> > thought two M7Vs in a tight formation would have produced enough heat?
> > Regardless, I should have definitely bumped it. Maybe I could have
> swapped
> > it around with Boughene and make Boughene be an M7V, and Alell be a K7V
> > M7V
> > so as to try and keep the distribution a little more like the original.
> >
> >
> >
> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated the
> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with the
> horrible
> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse to
> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I initially
> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike West
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
Did you look at the actual stats from the report?

The US had one of the *lowest* percentages for people who think that the
sun goes around the Earth - number 2, the only country with a better
percentage was South Korea. Most of Europe and Canada, for example, was
around 1 in 3 that thinks the Sun orbits the Earth and much of South
America was even worse.

Typical example of media twisting facts to make a political point...

--
Mario

http://mario.silent-tower.org/

On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 1:32 PM, D. Stanley <> wrote:

>
>
> You looked of course at the writers and noticed that the people who wrote
> the original Cosmos wrote this one as well. Well except for Sagan but I
> guess we'll have to excuse him for not putting his 2 cents worth into this
> one. J
>
>
>
> It's been a few weeks since I watched the first episode so I don't recall
> 100% what was said about Bruno but the essence of the individual was
> there. Benedictine monk, heliocentric solar system, excommunicated by the
> church, thought some crazy things, wandered Europe, burned at that stake.
> The problem with History is it's written by the victors and being burned at
> the stake doesn't count as a victory in my mind. Was Bruno a weird guy who
> wrote a lot of crazy things? Yes. Did he come up with an idea that no one
> else had come up with? Yes.
>
>
>
> To be honest if the average person walked away from the episode learning
> that the Earth goes around the sun and not the other way around... USA I'm
> looking in your direction here... I'd be happy.
>
>
>
> http://time.com/7809/1-in-4-americans-thinks-sun-orbits-earth/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* [
> ] *On Behalf Of *Master Uxi
> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 11:05 AM
> *To:*
> *Subject:* Re: [Traveller_TNE] Seth McFarlane
>
>
>
>
>
> I haven't watched since I saw the mendacious propaganda on Giordano Bruno
> and its complete misrepresentation of history. Definitely unworthy of
> Sagan's series.
>
> - Sent from my SM-N900T
>
> On Apr 7, 2014 10:54 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote:
>
>
>
> Heheheh...
>
>
>
> I was as shocked as you when I saw he was a producer months back but when
> I saw an interview with NdGT about it made a lot more sense.
>
>
>
> Can't find the original interview but here's one with Seth and while I
> don't have a ton of use for Family Guy you can't deny he's right about the
> lack of Science literacy in the world and if this makes people wonder and
> question things well I'm all for that.
>
>
>
> http://youtu.be/Ua5xqQpZp8Q
>
>
>
> My 7 year old is kind of on and off about the program, he's the poster
> child for ADHD and when he's got the focus he's onboard for it but when the
> focus dwindles it's difficult for him to concentrate long enough to connect
> the thoughts. Oddly he cheers every time Albert Einstein and Stephen
> Hawking are mentioned, although he doesn't really understand what they're
> about they're his hero's for some weird reason. I'll just go with it.
>
>
>
> It probably started when he was about 5 and I was watching something about
> the theory of relativity on the TV and after this long discussion on the TV
> that he really didn't seem to be following he looked at me and said. "So
> they're saying that an object in space bends and twists the fabric of space
> around it?"
>
>
>
> *From:* [
> ] *On Behalf Of *
> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 10:36 AM
> *To:*
> *Subject:* RE: [Traveller_TNE] Re: TNE - Stellar failure
>
>
>
>
>
> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated the
> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with the
> horrible
> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse to
> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I initially
> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
>
> I remember some early pre-TNE conversations where Frank saw the Hard
> Times, post-Rebellion, eventually Collapse dynamic as an in-game "silver
> lining" way to get rid of those worlds.
>
> Not an invalid thought, but you'd still have players and RC going to them
> to scrounge vacuum-preserved goodies. And there was also the dynamic that
> star change introduced into it. In addition to the Hi-Pop airless rocks
> you also had the Hi-Pop worlds with atmospheres around stars with no
> habitable zones, which worked out almost the same way, because you still
> had to put the population under domes or underground to provide artificial
> heat. Fixing the stars would allow them to survive without technology, but
> would require the "Collapser" to remember to fix the star before applying
> "Collapsing." That is the way it ought to have been done. Maybe the
> Gelinas article Alan mentioned in Challenge 77 goes into that, as I am
> clearly leery of saying, "this is what we did, and we succeeded," where
> that dynamic is involved.
>
> By the way, I had the TV on last night and watched some of the new
> "Cosmos" series on Fox, and I realized what the root of all my problems
> is.
>
> The executive producer of the new "Cosmos" is Seth McFarlane (Family Guy,
> American Dad, Cleveland Show).
>
> Clearly, everything that I thought I knew about anything is wrong. Just
> wrong.
>
> > Ø Oh look, there's Alell. Never mind, DED, we found it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Oh look, there is a big ol' screw-up on me.
> >
> >
> >
> > The physical characteristics of Alell are 467. So, yes, indeed, it should
> > have had one of its stars increased to be F-K. I probably should have
> made
> > it have stellar data of "K7V M7V". I dunno why I screwed it up. Maybe I
> > thought two M7Vs in a tight formation would have produced enough heat?
> > Regardless, I should have definitely bumped it. Maybe I could have
> swapped
> > it around with Boughene and make Boughene be an M7V, and Alell be a K7V
> > M7V
> > so as to try and keep the distribution a little more like the original.
> >
> >
> >
> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated the
> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with the
> horrible
> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse to
> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I initially
> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike West
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
I just think it’s deplorable that anyone over the age of 5 in a 1st or 2nd
world country would think that the sun goes around the earth.

It’s more of a case of aiming the headline at your target audience. Had the
headline read 66% of European’s think the Sun goes around the Earth, 90% of
your target audience wouldn’t have even looked at the article.

It’s like travelling abroad, when you’re in Europe the only reason you’re
going to see a headline about LA is if it happens to slide off into the
Pacific ocean. It’s sad to say but most people don’t give 2 cents about
things that aren’t happening in their own back yard. It’s a little better
now with the ability to use the internet to consume media from back home but
having spent a few months in Europe 20 years back the complete lack of
information about what was happening at home was unsettling.

From: []
On Behalf Of Mario Butter
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 11:56 AM
To:
Subject: Re: [Traveller_TNE] Seth McFarlane

Did you look at the actual stats from the report?

The US had one of the *lowest* percentages for people who think that the sun
goes around the Earth - number 2, the only country with a better percentage
was South Korea. Most of Europe and Canada, for example, was around 1 in 3
that thinks the Sun orbits the Earth and much of South America was even
worse.

Typical example of media twisting facts to make a political point...

--

Mario

http://mario.silent-tower.org/

On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 1:32 PM, D. Stanley <> wrote:

You looked of course at the writers and noticed that the people who wrote
the original Cosmos wrote this one as well. Well except for Sagan but I
guess we’ll have to excuse him for not putting his 2 cents worth into this
one. J

It’s been a few weeks since I watched the first episode so I don’t recall
100% what was said about Bruno but the essence of the individual was there.
Benedictine monk, heliocentric solar system, excommunicated by the church,
thought some crazy things, wandered Europe, burned at that stake. The
problem with History is it’s written by the victors and being burned at the
stake doesn’t count as a victory in my mind. Was Bruno a weird guy who
wrote a lot of crazy things? Yes. Did he come up with an idea that no one
else had come up with? Yes.

To be honest if the average person walked away from the episode learning
that the Earth goes around the sun and not the other way around… USA I’m
looking in your direction here… I’d be happy.

http://time.com/7809/1-in-4-americans-thinks-sun-orbits-earth/

From: []
On Behalf Of Master Uxi
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 11:05 AM
To:
Subject: Re: [Traveller_TNE] Seth McFarlane

I haven't watched since I saw the mendacious propaganda on Giordano Bruno
and its complete misrepresentation of history. Definitely unworthy of
Sagan's series.

- Sent from my SM-N900T

On Apr 7, 2014 10:54 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote:

Heheheh…

I was as shocked as you when I saw he was a producer months back but when I
saw an interview with NdGT about it made a lot more sense.

Can’t find the original interview but here’s one with Seth and while I don’t
have a ton of use for Family Guy you can’t deny he’s right about the lack of
Science literacy in the world and if this makes people wonder and question
things well I’m all for that.

http://youtu.be/Ua5xqQpZp8Q

My 7 year old is kind of on and off about the program, he’s the poster child
for ADHD and when he’s got the focus he’s onboard for it but when the focus
dwindles it’s difficult for him to concentrate long enough to connect the
thoughts. Oddly he cheers every time Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking
are mentioned, although he doesn’t really understand what they’re about
they’re his hero’s for some weird reason. I’ll just go with it.

It probably started when he was about 5 and I was watching something about
the theory of relativity on the TV and after this long discussion on the TV
that he really didn’t seem to be following he looked at me and said. “So
they’re saying that an object in space bends and twists the fabric of space
around it?”

From: []
On Behalf Of
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 10:36 AM
To:
Subject: RE: [Traveller_TNE] Re: TNE - Stellar failure

> On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated the
> “high-pop hostile” world. I really hate those, too, and (with the horrible
> upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse to
> ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I initially
> went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)

I remember some early pre-TNE conversations where Frank saw the Hard
Times, post-Rebellion, eventually Collapse dynamic as an in-game "silver
lining" way to get rid of those worlds.

Not an invalid thought, but you'd still have players and RC going to them
to scrounge vacuum-preserved goodies. And there was also the dynamic that
star change introduced into it. In addition to the Hi-Pop airless rocks
you also had the Hi-Pop worlds with atmospheres around stars with no
habitable zones, which worked out almost the same way, because you still
had to put the population under domes or underground to provide artificial
heat. Fixing the stars would allow them to survive without technology, but
would require the "Collapser" to remember to fix the star before applying
"Collapsing." That is the way it ought to have been done. Maybe the
Gelinas article Alan mentioned in Challenge 77 goes into that, as I am
clearly leery of saying, "this is what we did, and we succeeded," where
that dynamic is involved.

By the way, I had the TV on last night and watched some of the new
"Cosmos" series on Fox, and I realized what the root of all my problems
is.

The executive producer of the new "Cosmos" is Seth McFarlane (Family Guy,
American Dad, Cleveland Show).

Clearly, everything that I thought I knew about anything is wrong. Just
wrong.

> Ø Oh look, there's Alell. Never mind, DED, we found it.
>
>
>
> Oh look, there is a big ol’ screw-up on me.
>
>
>
> The physical characteristics of Alell are 467. So, yes, indeed, it should
> have had one of its stars increased to be F-K. I probably should have made
> it have stellar data of “K7V M7V”. I dunno why I screwed it up. Maybe I
> thought two M7Vs in a tight formation would have produced enough heat?
> Regardless, I should have definitely bumped it. Maybe I could have swapped
> it around with Boughene and make Boughene be an M7V, and Alell be a K7V
> M7V
> so as to try and keep the distribution a little more like the original.
>
>
>
> On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated the
> “high-pop hostile” world. I really hate those, too, and (with the horrible
> upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse to
> ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I initially
> went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
>
>
>
> Mike West
>
>
>
>
>
>

I'm aware that being an executive producer can be as simple as, "here's a
big pile of money, go and do great things, and don't forget to put my name
on top."

Still, for a guy that made a career out of making Peteh Griffin go, "HAH
HAH HAH" to get a chance to go all elder statesman on us makes me think I
invested my life in all the wrong things.

> Heheheh…
>
>
>
> I was as shocked as you when I saw he was a producer months back but when
> I
> saw an interview with NdGT about it made a lot more sense.
>
>
>
> Can’t find the original interview but here’s one with Seth and while I
> don’t
> have a ton of use for Family Guy you can’t deny he’s right about the lack
> of
> Science literacy in the world and if this makes people wonder and question
> things well I’m all for that.
>
>
>
> http://youtu.be/Ua5xqQpZp8Q
>
>
>
> My 7 year old is kind of on and off about the program, he’s the poster
> child
> for ADHD and when he’s got the focus he’s onboard for it but when the
> focus
> dwindles it’s difficult for him to concentrate long enough to connect the
> thoughts. Oddly he cheers every time Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking
> are mentioned, although he doesn’t really understand what they’re about
> they’re his hero’s for some weird reason. I’ll just go with it.
>
>
>
> It probably started when he was about 5 and I was watching something about
> the theory of relativity on the TV and after this long discussion on the
> TV
> that he really didn’t seem to be following he looked at me and said. “So
> they’re saying that an object in space bends and twists the fabric of
> space
> around it?”
>
>
>
> From: []
> On Behalf Of
> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 10:36 AM
> To:
> Subject: RE: [Traveller_TNE] Re: TNE - Stellar failure
>
>
>
>
>
>> On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated
>> the
>> “high-pop hostile” world. I really hate those, too, and (with the
>> horrible
>> upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse to
>> ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I
>> initially
>> went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
>
> I remember some early pre-TNE conversations where Frank saw the Hard
> Times, post-Rebellion, eventually Collapse dynamic as an in-game "silver
> lining" way to get rid of those worlds.
>
> Not an invalid thought, but you'd still have players and RC going to them
> to scrounge vacuum-preserved goodies. And there was also the dynamic that
> star change introduced into it. In addition to the Hi-Pop airless rocks
> you also had the Hi-Pop worlds with atmospheres around stars with no
> habitable zones, which worked out almost the same way, because you still
> had to put the population under domes or underground to provide artificial
> heat. Fixing the stars would allow them to survive without technology, but
> would require the "Collapser" to remember to fix the star before applying
> "Collapsing." That is the way it ought to have been done. Maybe the
> Gelinas article Alan mentioned in Challenge 77 goes into that, as I am
> clearly leery of saying, "this is what we did, and we succeeded," where
> that dynamic is involved.
>
> By the way, I had the TV on last night and watched some of the new
> "Cosmos" series on Fox, and I realized what the root of all my problems
> is.
>
> The executive producer of the new "Cosmos" is Seth McFarlane (Family Guy,
> American Dad, Cleveland Show).
>
> Clearly, everything that I thought I knew about anything is wrong. Just
> wrong.
>
>> Ø Oh look, there's Alell. Never mind, DED, we found it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh look, there is a big ol’ screw-up on me.
>>
>>
>>
>> The physical characteristics of Alell are 467. So, yes, indeed, it
>> should
>> have had one of its stars increased to be F-K. I probably should have
>> made
>> it have stellar data of “K7V M7V”. I dunno why I screwed it up. Maybe I
>> thought two M7Vs in a tight formation would have produced enough heat?
>> Regardless, I should have definitely bumped it. Maybe I could have
>> swapped
>> it around with Boughene and make Boughene be an M7V, and Alell be a K7V
>> M7V
>> so as to try and keep the distribution a little more like the original.
>>
>>
>>
>> On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated
>> the
>> “high-pop hostile” world. I really hate those, too, and (with the
>> horrible
>> upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse to
>> ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I
>> initially
>> went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike West
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

I've only seen last night's ep. Tyson is always fun, and has his
heartwarming story about being an heir apparent to Carl. He doesn't claim
to be the only one.

The animation is odd.

> I haven't watched since I saw the mendacious propaganda on Giordano Bruno
> and its complete misrepresentation of history. Definitely unworthy of
> Sagan's series.
>
> - Sent from my SM-N900T
> On Apr 7, 2014 10:54 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Heheheh...
>>
>>
>>
>> I was as shocked as you when I saw he was a producer months back but
>> when
>> I saw an interview with NdGT about it made a lot more sense.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can't find the original interview but here's one with Seth and while I
>> don't have a ton of use for Family Guy you can't deny he's right about
>> the
>> lack of Science literacy in the world and if this makes people wonder
>> and
>> question things well I'm all for that.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://youtu.be/Ua5xqQpZp8Q
>>
>>
>>
>> My 7 year old is kind of on and off about the program, he's the poster
>> child for ADHD and when he's got the focus he's onboard for it but when
>> the
>> focus dwindles it's difficult for him to concentrate long enough to
>> connect
>> the thoughts. Oddly he cheers every time Albert Einstein and Stephen
>> Hawking are mentioned, although he doesn't really understand what
>> they're
>> about they're his hero's for some weird reason. I'll just go with it.
>>
>>
>>
>> It probably started when he was about 5 and I was watching something
>> about
>> the theory of relativity on the TV and after this long discussion on the
>> TV
>> that he really didn't seem to be following he looked at me and said.
>> "So
>> they're saying that an object in space bends and twists the fabric of
>> space
>> around it?"
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* [
>> ] *On Behalf Of *
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 10:36 AM
>> *To:*
>> *Subject:* RE: [Traveller_TNE] Re: TNE - Stellar failure
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated
>> the
>> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with the
>> horrible
>> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse
>> to
>> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I
>> initially
>> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
>>
>> I remember some early pre-TNE conversations where Frank saw the Hard
>> Times, post-Rebellion, eventually Collapse dynamic as an in-game "silver
>> lining" way to get rid of those worlds.
>>
>> Not an invalid thought, but you'd still have players and RC going to
>> them
>> to scrounge vacuum-preserved goodies. And there was also the dynamic
>> that
>> star change introduced into it. In addition to the Hi-Pop airless rocks
>> you also had the Hi-Pop worlds with atmospheres around stars with no
>> habitable zones, which worked out almost the same way, because you still
>> had to put the population under domes or underground to provide
>> artificial
>> heat. Fixing the stars would allow them to survive without technology,
>> but
>> would require the "Collapser" to remember to fix the star before
>> applying
>> "Collapsing." That is the way it ought to have been done. Maybe the
>> Gelinas article Alan mentioned in Challenge 77 goes into that, as I am
>> clearly leery of saying, "this is what we did, and we succeeded," where
>> that dynamic is involved.
>>
>> By the way, I had the TV on last night and watched some of the new
>> "Cosmos" series on Fox, and I realized what the root of all my problems
>> is.
>>
>> The executive producer of the new "Cosmos" is Seth McFarlane (Family
>> Guy,
>> American Dad, Cleveland Show).
>>
>> Clearly, everything that I thought I knew about anything is wrong. Just
>> wrong.
>>
>> > Ø Oh look, there's Alell. Never mind, DED, we found it.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Oh look, there is a big ol' screw-up on me.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The physical characteristics of Alell are 467. So, yes, indeed, it
>> should
>> > have had one of its stars increased to be F-K. I probably should have
>> made
>> > it have stellar data of "K7V M7V". I dunno why I screwed it up. Maybe
>> I
>> > thought two M7Vs in a tight formation would have produced enough heat?
>> > Regardless, I should have definitely bumped it. Maybe I could have
>> swapped
>> > it around with Boughene and make Boughene be an M7V, and Alell be a
>> K7V
>> > M7V
>> > so as to try and keep the distribution a little more like the
>> original.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated
>> the
>> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with the
>> horrible
>> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse
>> to
>> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I
>> initially
>> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Mike West
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>

Are you saying a Canadian was twisting facts to make America look bad? :-)

Don't worry Derek, we've got that covered down here. The Bachelor, Donald
Trump, Temptation Island, Miley Cyrus. Please don't pile on, we've got it
bad enough as it is.

> Did you look at the actual stats from the report?
>
> The US had one of the *lowest* percentages for people who think that the
sun goes around the Earth - number 2, the only country with a better
percentage was South Korea. Most of Europe and Canada, for example, was
around 1 in 3 that thinks the Sun orbits the Earth and much of South
America was even worse.
>
> Typical example of media twisting facts to make a political point...
>
> --
> Mario
>
> http://mario.silent-tower.org/
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 1:32 PM, D. Stanley <> wrote:
>
>> You looked of course at the writers and noticed that the people who wrote
>> the original Cosmos wrote this one as well. Well except for Sagan but
I
>> guess we'll have to excuse him for not putting his 2 cents worth into this
>> one. J
>> It's been a few weeks since I watched the first episode so I don't recall
>> 100% what was said about Bruno but the essence of the individual was
there. Benedictine monk, heliocentric solar system, excommunicated by
the
>> church, thought some crazy things, wandered Europe, burned at that stake.
>> The problem with History is it's written by the victors and being
burned
>> at
>> the stake doesn't count as a victory in my mind. Was Bruno a weird guy
who
>> wrote a lot of crazy things? Yes. Did he come up with an idea that no
one
>> else had come up with? Yes.
>> To be honest if the average person walked away from the episode
learning
>> that the Earth goes around the sun and not the other way around... USA
I'm
>> looking in your direction here... I'd be happy.
>> http://time.com/7809/1-in-4-americans-thinks-sun-orbits-earth/
>> *From:* [
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Master Uxi
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 11:05 AM
>> *To:*
>> *Subject:* Re: [Traveller_TNE] Seth McFarlane
>> I haven't watched since I saw the mendacious propaganda on Giordano Bruno
>> and its complete misrepresentation of history. Definitely unworthy of
Sagan's series.
>> - Sent from my SM-N900T
>> On Apr 7, 2014 10:54 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote: Heheheh...
>> I was as shocked as you when I saw he was a producer months back but when
>> I saw an interview with NdGT about it made a lot more sense.
>> Can't find the original interview but here's one with Seth and while I
don't have a ton of use for Family Guy you can't deny he's right about
the
>> lack of Science literacy in the world and if this makes people wonder and
>> question things well I'm all for that.
>> http://youtu.be/Ua5xqQpZp8Q
>> My 7 year old is kind of on and off about the program, he's the poster
child for ADHD and when he's got the focus he's onboard for it but when
the
>> focus dwindles it's difficult for him to concentrate long enough to
connect
>> the thoughts. Oddly he cheers every time Albert Einstein and Stephen
Hawking are mentioned, although he doesn't really understand what
they're
>> about they're his hero's for some weird reason. I'll just go with it.
It probably started when he was about 5 and I was watching something
about
>> the theory of relativity on the TV and after this long discussion on
the
>> TV
>> that he really didn't seem to be following he looked at me and said. "So
>> they're saying that an object in space bends and twists the fabric of
space
>> around it?"
>> *From:* [
>> ] *On Behalf Of *
*Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 10:36 AM
>> *To:*
>> *Subject:* RE: [Traveller_TNE] Re: TNE - Stellar failure
>> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated
>> the
>> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with the
>> horrible
>> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse
>> to
>> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I
>> initially
>> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
>> I remember some early pre-TNE conversations where Frank saw the Hard
Times, post-Rebellion, eventually Collapse dynamic as an in-game
"silver
>> lining" way to get rid of those worlds.
>> Not an invalid thought, but you'd still have players and RC going to them
>> to scrounge vacuum-preserved goodies. And there was also the dynamic that
>> star change introduced into it. In addition to the Hi-Pop airless rocks
you also had the Hi-Pop worlds with atmospheres around stars with no
habitable zones, which worked out almost the same way, because you
still
>> had to put the population under domes or underground to provide artificial
>> heat. Fixing the stars would allow them to survive without technology, but
>> would require the "Collapser" to remember to fix the star before applying
>> "Collapsing." That is the way it ought to have been done. Maybe the
Gelinas article Alan mentioned in Challenge 77 goes into that, as I am
clearly leery of saying, "this is what we did, and we succeeded," where
that dynamic is involved.
>> By the way, I had the TV on last night and watched some of the new
"Cosmos" series on Fox, and I realized what the root of all my problems
is.
>> The executive producer of the new "Cosmos" is Seth McFarlane (Family Guy,
>> American Dad, Cleveland Show).
>> Clearly, everything that I thought I knew about anything is wrong. Just
wrong.
>> > Ø Oh look, there's Alell. Never mind, DED, we found it.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Oh look, there is a big ol' screw-up on me.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The physical characteristics of Alell are 467. So, yes, indeed, it
>> should
>> > have had one of its stars increased to be F-K. I probably should have
>> made
>> > it have stellar data of "K7V M7V". I dunno why I screwed it up. Maybe
>> I
>> > thought two M7Vs in a tight formation would have produced enough
heat?
>> > Regardless, I should have definitely bumped it. Maybe I could have
>> swapped
>> > it around with Boughene and make Boughene be an M7V, and Alell be a
>> K7V
>> > M7V
>> > so as to try and keep the distribution a little more like the
>> original.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated
>> the
>> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with the
>> horrible
>> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse
>> to
>> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I
>> initially
>> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Mike West
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>

Well, the first example I saw of this particular headline ("1 in 4
Americans think the Sun revolves around the Earth") was in a British
newspaper - so, since the Brits scored even lower than the Americans on
this survey, I guess the target audience was "Brits who despise
Americans"...

--
Mario

http://mario.silent-tower.org/

On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 2:21 PM, D. Stanley <> wrote:

>
>
> I just think it's deplorable that anyone over the age of 5 in a 1st or 2ndworld country would think that the sun goes around the earth.
>
>
>
> It's more of a case of aiming the headline at your target audience. Had
> the headline read 66% of European's think the Sun goes around the Earth,
> 90% of your target audience wouldn't have even looked at the article.
>
>
>
> It's like travelling abroad, when you're in Europe the only reason you're
> going to see a headline about LA is if it happens to slide off into the
> Pacific ocean. It's sad to say but most people don't give 2 cents about
> things that aren't happening in their own back yard. It's a little better
> now with the ability to use the internet to consume media from back home
> but having spent a few months in Europe 20 years back the complete lack of
> information about what was happening at home was unsettling.
>
>
>
> *From:* [
> ] *On Behalf Of *Mario Butter
> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 11:56 AM
>
> *To:*
> *Subject:* Re: [Traveller_TNE] Seth McFarlane
>
>
>
>
>
> Did you look at the actual stats from the report?
>
>
>
> The US had one of the *lowest* percentages for people who think that the
> sun goes around the Earth - number 2, the only country with a better
> percentage was South Korea. Most of Europe and Canada, for example, was
> around 1 in 3 that thinks the Sun orbits the Earth and much of South
> America was even worse.
>
>
>
> Typical example of media twisting facts to make a political point...
>
>
> --
>
> Mario
>
> http://mario.silent-tower.org/
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 1:32 PM, D. Stanley <> wrote:
>
>
>
> You looked of course at the writers and noticed that the people who wrote
> the original Cosmos wrote this one as well. Well except for Sagan but I
> guess we'll have to excuse him for not putting his 2 cents worth into this
> one. J
>
>
>
> It's been a few weeks since I watched the first episode so I don't recall
> 100% what was said about Bruno but the essence of the individual was
> there. Benedictine monk, heliocentric solar system, excommunicated by the
> church, thought some crazy things, wandered Europe, burned at that stake.
> The problem with History is it's written by the victors and being burned at
> the stake doesn't count as a victory in my mind. Was Bruno a weird guy who
> wrote a lot of crazy things? Yes. Did he come up with an idea that no one
> else had come up with? Yes.
>
>
>
> To be honest if the average person walked away from the episode learning
> that the Earth goes around the sun and not the other way around... USA I'm
> looking in your direction here... I'd be happy.
>
>
>
> http://time.com/7809/1-in-4-americans-thinks-sun-orbits-earth/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* [
> ] *On Behalf Of *Master Uxi
> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 11:05 AM
> *To:*
> *Subject:* Re: [Traveller_TNE] Seth McFarlane
>
>
>
>
>
> I haven't watched since I saw the mendacious propaganda on Giordano Bruno
> and its complete misrepresentation of history. Definitely unworthy of
> Sagan's series.
>
> - Sent from my SM-N900T
>
> On Apr 7, 2014 10:54 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote:
>
>
>
> Heheheh...
>
>
>
> I was as shocked as you when I saw he was a producer months back but when
> I saw an interview with NdGT about it made a lot more sense.
>
>
>
> Can't find the original interview but here's one with Seth and while I
> don't have a ton of use for Family Guy you can't deny he's right about the
> lack of Science literacy in the world and if this makes people wonder and
> question things well I'm all for that.
>
>
>
> http://youtu.be/Ua5xqQpZp8Q
>
>
>
> My 7 year old is kind of on and off about the program, he's the poster
> child for ADHD and when he's got the focus he's onboard for it but when the
> focus dwindles it's difficult for him to concentrate long enough to connect
> the thoughts. Oddly he cheers every time Albert Einstein and Stephen
> Hawking are mentioned, although he doesn't really understand what they're
> about they're his hero's for some weird reason. I'll just go with it.
>
>
>
> It probably started when he was about 5 and I was watching something about
> the theory of relativity on the TV and after this long discussion on the TV
> that he really didn't seem to be following he looked at me and said. "So
> they're saying that an object in space bends and twists the fabric of space
> around it?"
>
>
>
> *From:* [
> ] *On Behalf Of *
> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 10:36 AM
> *To:*
> *Subject:* RE: [Traveller_TNE] Re: TNE - Stellar failure
>
>
>
>
>
> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated the
> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with the
> horrible
> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse to
> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I initially
> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
>
> I remember some early pre-TNE conversations where Frank saw the Hard
> Times, post-Rebellion, eventually Collapse dynamic as an in-game "silver
> lining" way to get rid of those worlds.
>
> Not an invalid thought, but you'd still have players and RC going to them
> to scrounge vacuum-preserved goodies. And there was also the dynamic that
> star change introduced into it. In addition to the Hi-Pop airless rocks
> you also had the Hi-Pop worlds with atmospheres around stars with no
> habitable zones, which worked out almost the same way, because you still
> had to put the population under domes or underground to provide artificial
> heat. Fixing the stars would allow them to survive without technology, but
> would require the "Collapser" to remember to fix the star before applying
> "Collapsing." That is the way it ought to have been done. Maybe the
> Gelinas article Alan mentioned in Challenge 77 goes into that, as I am
> clearly leery of saying, "this is what we did, and we succeeded," where
> that dynamic is involved.
>
> By the way, I had the TV on last night and watched some of the new
> "Cosmos" series on Fox, and I realized what the root of all my problems
> is.
>
> The executive producer of the new "Cosmos" is Seth McFarlane (Family Guy,
> American Dad, Cleveland Show).
>
> Clearly, everything that I thought I knew about anything is wrong. Just
> wrong.
>
> > Ø Oh look, there's Alell. Never mind, DED, we found it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Oh look, there is a big ol' screw-up on me.
> >
> >
> >
> > The physical characteristics of Alell are 467. So, yes, indeed, it should
> > have had one of its stars increased to be F-K. I probably should have
> made
> > it have stellar data of "K7V M7V". I dunno why I screwed it up. Maybe I
> > thought two M7Vs in a tight formation would have produced enough heat?
> > Regardless, I should have definitely bumped it. Maybe I could have
> swapped
> > it around with Boughene and make Boughene be an M7V, and Alell be a K7V
> > M7V
> > so as to try and keep the distribution a little more like the original.
> >
> >
> >
> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated the
> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with the
> horrible
> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse to
> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I initially
> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike West
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
writes

I'm aware that being an executive producer can be as simple as, "here39;s a
big pile of money, go and do great things, and don't forget to put my name
on top."

Still, for a guy that made a career out of making Peteh Griffin go, "HAH
HAH HAH" to get a chance to go all elder statesman on us makes me think I
invested my life in all the wrong things

>From an interview with Dr. Tyson early last year (or late 2012), Seth
McFarlane's success at Fox (with, yes, three shows of bathroom humor) gave
him the clout to get them to take on the Cosmos reboot in the first place.
He and Tyson have been friends for years, by all accounts.
> From an interview with Dr. Tyson early last year (or late 2012), Seth
> McFarlane's success at Fox (with, yes, three shows of bathroom humor) gave
> him the clout to get them to take on the Cosmos reboot in the first place.
> He and Tyson have been friends for years, by all accounts.

Yep, I've invested my life in all the wrong things. They really should put
that in the brochure.

> writes
>
>
> I'm aware that being an executive producer can be as simple as, "here39;s a
> big pile of money, go and do great things, and don't forget to put my name
> on top."
>
> Still, for a guy that made a career out of making Peteh Griffin go, "HAH
> HAH HAH" to get a chance to go all elder statesman on us makes me think I
> invested my life in all the wrong things
>
> From an interview with Dr. Tyson early last year (or late 2012), Seth
> McFarlane's success at Fox (with, yes, three shows of bathroom humor) gave
> him the clout to get them to take on the Cosmos reboot in the first place.
> He and Tyson have been friends for years, by all accounts.
>

Sorry for bringing up the old topic here, but they didn't actually present Bruno as a scientist in the show at all. In fact, Tyson made it explicitly clear in the show that Bruno wasn't a scientist, and that it was probably just good luck (well, I guess it wasn't really good for him ultimately) that he happened to come to the right conclusion since he had no evidence to base his ideas on.

I really don't get the level of indignation that people have about how Bruno was presented in Cosmos, and everyone that I've heard complaining about it seems to have missed the point, which was that ultimately he was a guy who was punished for thinking differently. Yes, they simplified the history of what happened somewhat (e.g. not really mentioning that he was a supporter of Copernicus39; ideas about a heliocentric solar system), but they definitely didn't claim that he was a scientist.


Meanwhile, I thought last night's episode about the age of the Earth and how that led to the discovery that lead was poisoning everyone (and ultimately its banning from pretty much everything) was pretty awesome.
Dang it... I haven't seen it yet. For some reason my pvr didn't record last night.

Derek Stanley
Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 21, 2014, at 5:01 PM, <> wrote:
>
> Sorry for bringing up the old topic here, but they didn't actually present Bruno as a scientist in the show at all. In fact, Tyson made it explicitly clear in the show that Bruno wasn't a scientist, and that it was probably just good luck (well, I guess it wasn't really good for him ultimately) that he happened to come to the right conclusion since he had no evidence to base his ideas on.
>
>
> I really don't get the level of indignation that people have about how Bruno was presented in Cosmos, and everyone that I've heard complaining about it seems to have missed the point, which was that ultimately he was a guy who was punished for thinking differently. Yes, they simplified the history of what happened somewhat (e.g. not really mentioning that he was a supporter of Copernicus39; ideas about a heliocentric solar system), but they definitely didn't claim that he was a scientist.
>
> Meanwhile, I though t last night's episode about the age of the Earth and how that led to the discovery that lead was poisoning everyone (and ultimately its banning from pretty much everything) was pretty awesome.
>
He was killed for "thinking differently" in the same way Dahmer was killed
for poor table manners. More seriously, he was more astrologer than
astronomer. So why include him at all but to pick at the modern trope of
the incompatibility faith & science? Even from a secular historian, the
simplistic distortions should be.... distasteful, but from anyone who
holds faith, reason, and history in equal regard could not be anything
but... disapproving, if not "indignant."

This captures my thoughts on it:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/outthere/2014/03/10/cosmos-pick-wrong-hero/

"…That depiction in the new Cosmos matches the standard textbook story of
Bruno, but it is misleading and in some ways downright wrong. For starters,
Bruno was not the first to link the idea of infinite space with the
infinite glory of God. That idea actually originated with Nicolas of Cusa,
a German philosopher who lived a century earlier (and who wrote about the
notion of infinite space even before Copernicus, though not in a detailed
astronomical way). Nicolas kept his infinite theology within the Catholic
framework, however, and suffered no ill consequences for his views.

Bruno also was not much of a Copernican, or by most accounts much of an
astronomer at all. His interests were theological, not physical, and his
astronomical writings are considered amateurish and confused…In Cosmos,
Tyson does carefully say that Bruno was not a scientist, and instead
describes that picture of infinite worlds as a “guess.” But Bruno was not
guessing. He was advancing his own, heretical theology, which goes a long
way to understanding the real reason that he was burned at the stake….

…Nor was Bruno the simple, humble figure shown on TV. A major reason he
moved around so much is that he was argumentative, sarcastic, and drawn to
controversy. He engaged in bitter academic disputes, many of which had
nothing to do with his cosmic framework. One example He fled France because
of a violent dispute about the proper use of a compass (seriously)."

- Sent from my SM-N900T
On Apr 21, 2014 5:01 PM, <> wrote:

>
>
> Sorry for bringing up the old topic here, but they didn't actually present
> Bruno as a scientist in the show at all. In fact, Tyson made it explicitly
> clear in the show that Bruno wasn't a scientist, and that it was probably
> just good luck (well, I guess it wasn't really good for him ultimately)
> that he happened to come to the right conclusion since he had no evidence
> to base his ideas on.
>
> I really don't get the level of indignation that people have about how
> Bruno was presented in Cosmos, and everyone that I've heard complaining
> about it seems to have missed the point, which was that ultimately he was a
> guy who was punished for thinking differently. Yes, they simplified the
> history of what happened somewhat (e.g. not really mentioning that he was a
> supporter of Copernicus39; ideas about a heliocentric solar system), but they
> definitely didn't claim that he was a scientist.
>
> Meanwhile, I thought last night's episode about the age of the Earth and
> how that led to the discovery that lead was poisoning everyone (and
> ultimately its banning from pretty much everything) was pretty awesome.
>
>
Right. None of which is particularly contradicted by the program. Simpilified? Sure. Contradicted? Not really.

Again, I'm not seeing why people are all up in arms about it. It's a pretty minor point in the grand scheme of things.
More like eye rolling than up in arms.

- Sent from my SM-N900T
On Apr 21, 2014 7:04 PM, <> wrote:

>
>
> Right. None of which is particularly contradicted by the program.
> Simpilified? Sure. Contradicted? Not really.
>
> Again, I'm not seeing why people are all up in arms about it. It's a
> pretty minor point in the grand scheme of things.
>
>