You looked of course at the writers and noticed that the people who wrote
the original Cosmos wrote this one as well. Well except for Sagan but I
guess well have to excuse him for not putting his 2 cents worth into this
one. J
Its been a few weeks since I watched the first episode so I dont recall
100% what was said about Bruno but the essence of the individual was there.
Benedictine monk, heliocentric solar system, excommunicated by the church,
thought some crazy things, wandered Europe, burned at that stake. The
problem with History is its written by the victors and being burned at the
stake doesnt count as a victory in my mind. Was Bruno a weird guy who
wrote a lot of crazy things? Yes. Did he come up with an idea that no one
else had come up with? Yes.
To be honest if the average person walked away from the episode learning
that the Earth goes around the sun and not the other way around USA Im
looking in your direction here Id be happy.
http://time.com/7809/1-in-4-americans-thinks-sun-orbits-earth/
From: []
On Behalf Of Master Uxi
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 11:05 AM
To:
Subject: Re: [Traveller_TNE] Seth McFarlane
I haven't watched since I saw the mendacious propaganda on Giordano Bruno
and its complete misrepresentation of history. Definitely unworthy of
Sagan's series.
- Sent from my SM-N900T
On Apr 7, 2014 10:54 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote:
Heheheh
I was as shocked as you when I saw he was a producer months back but when I
saw an interview with NdGT about it made a lot more sense.
Cant find the original interview but heres one with Seth and while I dont
have a ton of use for Family Guy you cant deny hes right about the lack of
Science literacy in the world and if this makes people wonder and question
things well Im all for that.
http://youtu.be/Ua5xqQpZp8Q
My 7 year old is kind of on and off about the program, hes the poster child
for ADHD and when hes got the focus hes onboard for it but when the focus
dwindles its difficult for him to concentrate long enough to connect the
thoughts. Oddly he cheers every time Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking
are mentioned, although he doesnt really understand what theyre about
theyre his heros for some weird reason. Ill just go with it.
It probably started when he was about 5 and I was watching something about
the theory of relativity on the TV and after this long discussion on the TV
that he really didnt seem to be following he looked at me and said. So
theyre saying that an object in space bends and twists the fabric of space
around it?
From: []
On Behalf Of
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 10:36 AM
To:
Subject: RE: [Traveller_TNE] Re: TNE - Stellar failure
> On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated the
> high-pop hostile world. I really hate those, too, and (with the horrible
> upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse to
> ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I initially
> went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
I remember some early pre-TNE conversations where Frank saw the Hard
Times, post-Rebellion, eventually Collapse dynamic as an in-game "silver
lining" way to get rid of those worlds.
Not an invalid thought, but you'd still have players and RC going to them
to scrounge vacuum-preserved goodies. And there was also the dynamic that
star change introduced into it. In addition to the Hi-Pop airless rocks
you also had the Hi-Pop worlds with atmospheres around stars with no
habitable zones, which worked out almost the same way, because you still
had to put the population under domes or underground to provide artificial
heat. Fixing the stars would allow them to survive without technology, but
would require the "Collapser" to remember to fix the star before applying
"Collapsing." That is the way it ought to have been done. Maybe the
Gelinas article Alan mentioned in Challenge 77 goes into that, as I am
clearly leery of saying, "this is what we did, and we succeeded," where
that dynamic is involved.
By the way, I had the TV on last night and watched some of the new
"Cosmos" series on Fox, and I realized what the root of all my problems
is.
The executive producer of the new "Cosmos" is Seth McFarlane (Family Guy,
American Dad, Cleveland Show).
Clearly, everything that I thought I knew about anything is wrong. Just
wrong.
> Ø Oh look, there's Alell. Never mind, DED, we found it.
>
>
>
> Oh look, there is a big ol screw-up on me.
>
>
>
> The physical characteristics of Alell are 467. So, yes, indeed, it should
> have had one of its stars increased to be F-K. I probably should have made
> it have stellar data of K7V M7V. I dunno why I screwed it up. Maybe I
> thought two M7Vs in a tight formation would have produced enough heat?
> Regardless, I should have definitely bumped it. Maybe I could have swapped
> it around with Boughene and make Boughene be an M7V, and Alell be a K7V
> M7V
> so as to try and keep the distribution a little more like the original.
>
>
>
> On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated the
> high-pop hostile world. I really hate those, too, and (with the horrible
> upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse to
> ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I initially
> went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
>
>
>
> Mike West
>
>
>
>
>
>
the original Cosmos wrote this one as well. Well except for Sagan but I
guess well have to excuse him for not putting his 2 cents worth into this
one. J
Its been a few weeks since I watched the first episode so I dont recall
100% what was said about Bruno but the essence of the individual was there.
Benedictine monk, heliocentric solar system, excommunicated by the church,
thought some crazy things, wandered Europe, burned at that stake. The
problem with History is its written by the victors and being burned at the
stake doesnt count as a victory in my mind. Was Bruno a weird guy who
wrote a lot of crazy things? Yes. Did he come up with an idea that no one
else had come up with? Yes.
To be honest if the average person walked away from the episode learning
that the Earth goes around the sun and not the other way around USA Im
looking in your direction here Id be happy.
http://time.com/7809/1-in-4-americans-thinks-sun-orbits-earth/
From: []
On Behalf Of Master Uxi
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 11:05 AM
To:
Subject: Re: [Traveller_TNE] Seth McFarlane
I haven't watched since I saw the mendacious propaganda on Giordano Bruno
and its complete misrepresentation of history. Definitely unworthy of
Sagan's series.
- Sent from my SM-N900T
On Apr 7, 2014 10:54 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote:
Heheheh
I was as shocked as you when I saw he was a producer months back but when I
saw an interview with NdGT about it made a lot more sense.
Cant find the original interview but heres one with Seth and while I dont
have a ton of use for Family Guy you cant deny hes right about the lack of
Science literacy in the world and if this makes people wonder and question
things well Im all for that.
http://youtu.be/Ua5xqQpZp8Q
My 7 year old is kind of on and off about the program, hes the poster child
for ADHD and when hes got the focus hes onboard for it but when the focus
dwindles its difficult for him to concentrate long enough to connect the
thoughts. Oddly he cheers every time Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking
are mentioned, although he doesnt really understand what theyre about
theyre his heros for some weird reason. Ill just go with it.
It probably started when he was about 5 and I was watching something about
the theory of relativity on the TV and after this long discussion on the TV
that he really didnt seem to be following he looked at me and said. So
theyre saying that an object in space bends and twists the fabric of space
around it?
From: []
On Behalf Of
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 10:36 AM
To:
Subject: RE: [Traveller_TNE] Re: TNE - Stellar failure
> On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated the
> high-pop hostile world. I really hate those, too, and (with the horrible
> upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse to
> ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I initially
> went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
I remember some early pre-TNE conversations where Frank saw the Hard
Times, post-Rebellion, eventually Collapse dynamic as an in-game "silver
lining" way to get rid of those worlds.
Not an invalid thought, but you'd still have players and RC going to them
to scrounge vacuum-preserved goodies. And there was also the dynamic that
star change introduced into it. In addition to the Hi-Pop airless rocks
you also had the Hi-Pop worlds with atmospheres around stars with no
habitable zones, which worked out almost the same way, because you still
had to put the population under domes or underground to provide artificial
heat. Fixing the stars would allow them to survive without technology, but
would require the "Collapser" to remember to fix the star before applying
"Collapsing." That is the way it ought to have been done. Maybe the
Gelinas article Alan mentioned in Challenge 77 goes into that, as I am
clearly leery of saying, "this is what we did, and we succeeded," where
that dynamic is involved.
By the way, I had the TV on last night and watched some of the new
"Cosmos" series on Fox, and I realized what the root of all my problems
is.
The executive producer of the new "Cosmos" is Seth McFarlane (Family Guy,
American Dad, Cleveland Show).
Clearly, everything that I thought I knew about anything is wrong. Just
wrong.
> Ø Oh look, there's Alell. Never mind, DED, we found it.
>
>
>
> Oh look, there is a big ol screw-up on me.
>
>
>
> The physical characteristics of Alell are 467. So, yes, indeed, it should
> have had one of its stars increased to be F-K. I probably should have made
> it have stellar data of K7V M7V. I dunno why I screwed it up. Maybe I
> thought two M7Vs in a tight formation would have produced enough heat?
> Regardless, I should have definitely bumped it. Maybe I could have swapped
> it around with Boughene and make Boughene be an M7V, and Alell be a K7V
> M7V
> so as to try and keep the distribution a little more like the original.
>
>
>
> On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated the
> high-pop hostile world. I really hate those, too, and (with the horrible
> upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse to
> ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I initially
> went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
>
>
>
> Mike West
>
>
>
>
>
>