Are you saying a Canadian was twisting facts to make America look bad? :-)
Don't worry Derek, we've got that covered down here. The Bachelor, Donald
Trump, Temptation Island, Miley Cyrus. Please don't pile on, we've got it
bad enough as it is.
> Did you look at the actual stats from the report?
>
> The US had one of the *lowest* percentages for people who think that the
sun goes around the Earth - number 2, the only country with a better
percentage was South Korea. Most of Europe and Canada, for example, was
around 1 in 3 that thinks the Sun orbits the Earth and much of South
America was even worse.
>
> Typical example of media twisting facts to make a political point...
>
> --
> Mario
>
> http://mario.silent-tower.org/
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 1:32 PM, D. Stanley <> wrote:
>
>> You looked of course at the writers and noticed that the people who wrote
>> the original Cosmos wrote this one as well. Well except for Sagan but
I
>> guess we'll have to excuse him for not putting his 2 cents worth into this
>> one. J
>> It's been a few weeks since I watched the first episode so I don't recall
>> 100% what was said about Bruno but the essence of the individual was
there. Benedictine monk, heliocentric solar system, excommunicated by
the
>> church, thought some crazy things, wandered Europe, burned at that stake.
>> The problem with History is it's written by the victors and being
burned
>> at
>> the stake doesn't count as a victory in my mind. Was Bruno a weird guy
who
>> wrote a lot of crazy things? Yes. Did he come up with an idea that no
one
>> else had come up with? Yes.
>> To be honest if the average person walked away from the episode
learning
>> that the Earth goes around the sun and not the other way around... USA
I'm
>> looking in your direction here... I'd be happy.
>> http://time.com/7809/1-in-4-americans-thinks-sun-orbits-earth/
>> *From:* [
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Master Uxi
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 11:05 AM
>> *To:*
>> *Subject:* Re: [Traveller_TNE] Seth McFarlane
>> I haven't watched since I saw the mendacious propaganda on Giordano Bruno
>> and its complete misrepresentation of history. Definitely unworthy of
Sagan's series.
>> - Sent from my SM-N900T
>> On Apr 7, 2014 10:54 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote: Heheheh...
>> I was as shocked as you when I saw he was a producer months back but when
>> I saw an interview with NdGT about it made a lot more sense.
>> Can't find the original interview but here's one with Seth and while I
don't have a ton of use for Family Guy you can't deny he's right about
the
>> lack of Science literacy in the world and if this makes people wonder and
>> question things well I'm all for that.
>> http://youtu.be/Ua5xqQpZp8Q
>> My 7 year old is kind of on and off about the program, he's the poster
child for ADHD and when he's got the focus he's onboard for it but when
the
>> focus dwindles it's difficult for him to concentrate long enough to
connect
>> the thoughts. Oddly he cheers every time Albert Einstein and Stephen
Hawking are mentioned, although he doesn't really understand what
they're
>> about they're his hero's for some weird reason. I'll just go with it.
It probably started when he was about 5 and I was watching something
about
>> the theory of relativity on the TV and after this long discussion on
the
>> TV
>> that he really didn't seem to be following he looked at me and said. "So
>> they're saying that an object in space bends and twists the fabric of
space
>> around it?"
>> *From:* [
>> ] *On Behalf Of *
*Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 10:36 AM
>> *To:*
>> *Subject:* RE: [Traveller_TNE] Re: TNE - Stellar failure
>> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated
>> the
>> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with the
>> horrible
>> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse
>> to
>> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I
>> initially
>> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
>> I remember some early pre-TNE conversations where Frank saw the Hard
Times, post-Rebellion, eventually Collapse dynamic as an in-game
"silver
>> lining" way to get rid of those worlds.
>> Not an invalid thought, but you'd still have players and RC going to them
>> to scrounge vacuum-preserved goodies. And there was also the dynamic that
>> star change introduced into it. In addition to the Hi-Pop airless rocks
you also had the Hi-Pop worlds with atmospheres around stars with no
habitable zones, which worked out almost the same way, because you
still
>> had to put the population under domes or underground to provide artificial
>> heat. Fixing the stars would allow them to survive without technology, but
>> would require the "Collapser" to remember to fix the star before applying
>> "Collapsing." That is the way it ought to have been done. Maybe the
Gelinas article Alan mentioned in Challenge 77 goes into that, as I am
clearly leery of saying, "this is what we did, and we succeeded," where
that dynamic is involved.
>> By the way, I had the TV on last night and watched some of the new
"Cosmos" series on Fox, and I realized what the root of all my problems
is.
>> The executive producer of the new "Cosmos" is Seth McFarlane (Family Guy,
>> American Dad, Cleveland Show).
>> Clearly, everything that I thought I knew about anything is wrong. Just
wrong.
>> > Ø Oh look, there's Alell. Never mind, DED, we found it.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Oh look, there is a big ol' screw-up on me.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The physical characteristics of Alell are 467. So, yes, indeed, it
>> should
>> > have had one of its stars increased to be F-K. I probably should have
>> made
>> > it have stellar data of "K7V M7V". I dunno why I screwed it up. Maybe
>> I
>> > thought two M7Vs in a tight formation would have produced enough
heat?
>> > Regardless, I should have definitely bumped it. Maybe I could have
>> swapped
>> > it around with Boughene and make Boughene be an M7V, and Alell be a
>> K7V
>> > M7V
>> > so as to try and keep the distribution a little more like the
>> original.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated
>> the
>> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with the
>> horrible
>> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse
>> to
>> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I
>> initially
>> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Mike West
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
Don't worry Derek, we've got that covered down here. The Bachelor, Donald
Trump, Temptation Island, Miley Cyrus. Please don't pile on, we've got it
bad enough as it is.
> Did you look at the actual stats from the report?
>
> The US had one of the *lowest* percentages for people who think that the
sun goes around the Earth - number 2, the only country with a better
percentage was South Korea. Most of Europe and Canada, for example, was
around 1 in 3 that thinks the Sun orbits the Earth and much of South
America was even worse.
>
> Typical example of media twisting facts to make a political point...
>
> --
> Mario
>
> http://mario.silent-tower.org/
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 1:32 PM, D. Stanley <> wrote:
>
>> You looked of course at the writers and noticed that the people who wrote
>> the original Cosmos wrote this one as well. Well except for Sagan but
I
>> guess we'll have to excuse him for not putting his 2 cents worth into this
>> one. J
>> It's been a few weeks since I watched the first episode so I don't recall
>> 100% what was said about Bruno but the essence of the individual was
there. Benedictine monk, heliocentric solar system, excommunicated by
the
>> church, thought some crazy things, wandered Europe, burned at that stake.
>> The problem with History is it's written by the victors and being
burned
>> at
>> the stake doesn't count as a victory in my mind. Was Bruno a weird guy
who
>> wrote a lot of crazy things? Yes. Did he come up with an idea that no
one
>> else had come up with? Yes.
>> To be honest if the average person walked away from the episode
learning
>> that the Earth goes around the sun and not the other way around... USA
I'm
>> looking in your direction here... I'd be happy.
>> http://time.com/7809/1-in-4-americans-thinks-sun-orbits-earth/
>> *From:* [
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Master Uxi
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 11:05 AM
>> *To:*
>> *Subject:* Re: [Traveller_TNE] Seth McFarlane
>> I haven't watched since I saw the mendacious propaganda on Giordano Bruno
>> and its complete misrepresentation of history. Definitely unworthy of
Sagan's series.
>> - Sent from my SM-N900T
>> On Apr 7, 2014 10:54 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote: Heheheh...
>> I was as shocked as you when I saw he was a producer months back but when
>> I saw an interview with NdGT about it made a lot more sense.
>> Can't find the original interview but here's one with Seth and while I
don't have a ton of use for Family Guy you can't deny he's right about
the
>> lack of Science literacy in the world and if this makes people wonder and
>> question things well I'm all for that.
>> http://youtu.be/Ua5xqQpZp8Q
>> My 7 year old is kind of on and off about the program, he's the poster
child for ADHD and when he's got the focus he's onboard for it but when
the
>> focus dwindles it's difficult for him to concentrate long enough to
connect
>> the thoughts. Oddly he cheers every time Albert Einstein and Stephen
Hawking are mentioned, although he doesn't really understand what
they're
>> about they're his hero's for some weird reason. I'll just go with it.
It probably started when he was about 5 and I was watching something
about
>> the theory of relativity on the TV and after this long discussion on
the
>> TV
>> that he really didn't seem to be following he looked at me and said. "So
>> they're saying that an object in space bends and twists the fabric of
space
>> around it?"
>> *From:* [
>> ] *On Behalf Of *
*Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 10:36 AM
>> *To:*
>> *Subject:* RE: [Traveller_TNE] Re: TNE - Stellar failure
>> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated
>> the
>> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with the
>> horrible
>> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse
>> to
>> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I
>> initially
>> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
>> I remember some early pre-TNE conversations where Frank saw the Hard
Times, post-Rebellion, eventually Collapse dynamic as an in-game
"silver
>> lining" way to get rid of those worlds.
>> Not an invalid thought, but you'd still have players and RC going to them
>> to scrounge vacuum-preserved goodies. And there was also the dynamic that
>> star change introduced into it. In addition to the Hi-Pop airless rocks
you also had the Hi-Pop worlds with atmospheres around stars with no
habitable zones, which worked out almost the same way, because you
still
>> had to put the population under domes or underground to provide artificial
>> heat. Fixing the stars would allow them to survive without technology, but
>> would require the "Collapser" to remember to fix the star before applying
>> "Collapsing." That is the way it ought to have been done. Maybe the
Gelinas article Alan mentioned in Challenge 77 goes into that, as I am
clearly leery of saying, "this is what we did, and we succeeded," where
that dynamic is involved.
>> By the way, I had the TV on last night and watched some of the new
"Cosmos" series on Fox, and I realized what the root of all my problems
is.
>> The executive producer of the new "Cosmos" is Seth McFarlane (Family Guy,
>> American Dad, Cleveland Show).
>> Clearly, everything that I thought I knew about anything is wrong. Just
wrong.
>> > Ø Oh look, there's Alell. Never mind, DED, we found it.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Oh look, there is a big ol' screw-up on me.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The physical characteristics of Alell are 467. So, yes, indeed, it
>> should
>> > have had one of its stars increased to be F-K. I probably should have
>> made
>> > it have stellar data of "K7V M7V". I dunno why I screwed it up. Maybe
>> I
>> > thought two M7Vs in a tight formation would have produced enough
heat?
>> > Regardless, I should have definitely bumped it. Maybe I could have
>> swapped
>> > it around with Boughene and make Boughene be an M7V, and Alell be a
>> K7V
>> > M7V
>> > so as to try and keep the distribution a little more like the
>> original.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated
>> the
>> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with the
>> horrible
>> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse
>> to
>> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I
>> initially
>> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Mike West
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>