Did you look at the actual stats from the report?
The US had one of the *lowest* percentages for people who think that the
sun goes around the Earth - number 2, the only country with a better
percentage was South Korea. Most of Europe and Canada, for example, was
around 1 in 3 that thinks the Sun orbits the Earth and much of South
America was even worse.
Typical example of media twisting facts to make a political point...
--
Mario
http://mario.silent-tower.org/
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 1:32 PM, D. Stanley <> wrote:
>
>
> You looked of course at the writers and noticed that the people who wrote
> the original Cosmos wrote this one as well. Well except for Sagan but I
> guess we'll have to excuse him for not putting his 2 cents worth into this
> one. J
>
>
>
> It's been a few weeks since I watched the first episode so I don't recall
> 100% what was said about Bruno but the essence of the individual was
> there. Benedictine monk, heliocentric solar system, excommunicated by the
> church, thought some crazy things, wandered Europe, burned at that stake.
> The problem with History is it's written by the victors and being burned at
> the stake doesn't count as a victory in my mind. Was Bruno a weird guy who
> wrote a lot of crazy things? Yes. Did he come up with an idea that no one
> else had come up with? Yes.
>
>
>
> To be honest if the average person walked away from the episode learning
> that the Earth goes around the sun and not the other way around... USA I'm
> looking in your direction here... I'd be happy.
>
>
>
> http://time.com/7809/1-in-4-americans-thinks-sun-orbits-earth/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* [
> ] *On Behalf Of *Master Uxi
> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 11:05 AM
> *To:*
> *Subject:* Re: [Traveller_TNE] Seth McFarlane
>
>
>
>
>
> I haven't watched since I saw the mendacious propaganda on Giordano Bruno
> and its complete misrepresentation of history. Definitely unworthy of
> Sagan's series.
>
> - Sent from my SM-N900T
>
> On Apr 7, 2014 10:54 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote:
>
>
>
> Heheheh...
>
>
>
> I was as shocked as you when I saw he was a producer months back but when
> I saw an interview with NdGT about it made a lot more sense.
>
>
>
> Can't find the original interview but here's one with Seth and while I
> don't have a ton of use for Family Guy you can't deny he's right about the
> lack of Science literacy in the world and if this makes people wonder and
> question things well I'm all for that.
>
>
>
> http://youtu.be/Ua5xqQpZp8Q
>
>
>
> My 7 year old is kind of on and off about the program, he's the poster
> child for ADHD and when he's got the focus he's onboard for it but when the
> focus dwindles it's difficult for him to concentrate long enough to connect
> the thoughts. Oddly he cheers every time Albert Einstein and Stephen
> Hawking are mentioned, although he doesn't really understand what they're
> about they're his hero's for some weird reason. I'll just go with it.
>
>
>
> It probably started when he was about 5 and I was watching something about
> the theory of relativity on the TV and after this long discussion on the TV
> that he really didn't seem to be following he looked at me and said. "So
> they're saying that an object in space bends and twists the fabric of space
> around it?"
>
>
>
> *From:* [
> ] *On Behalf Of *
> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 10:36 AM
> *To:*
> *Subject:* RE: [Traveller_TNE] Re: TNE - Stellar failure
>
>
>
>
>
> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated the
> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with the
> horrible
> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse to
> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I initially
> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
>
> I remember some early pre-TNE conversations where Frank saw the Hard
> Times, post-Rebellion, eventually Collapse dynamic as an in-game "silver
> lining" way to get rid of those worlds.
>
> Not an invalid thought, but you'd still have players and RC going to them
> to scrounge vacuum-preserved goodies. And there was also the dynamic that
> star change introduced into it. In addition to the Hi-Pop airless rocks
> you also had the Hi-Pop worlds with atmospheres around stars with no
> habitable zones, which worked out almost the same way, because you still
> had to put the population under domes or underground to provide artificial
> heat. Fixing the stars would allow them to survive without technology, but
> would require the "Collapser" to remember to fix the star before applying
> "Collapsing." That is the way it ought to have been done. Maybe the
> Gelinas article Alan mentioned in Challenge 77 goes into that, as I am
> clearly leery of saying, "this is what we did, and we succeeded," where
> that dynamic is involved.
>
> By the way, I had the TV on last night and watched some of the new
> "Cosmos" series on Fox, and I realized what the root of all my problems
> is.
>
> The executive producer of the new "Cosmos" is Seth McFarlane (Family Guy,
> American Dad, Cleveland Show).
>
> Clearly, everything that I thought I knew about anything is wrong. Just
> wrong.
>
> > Ø Oh look, there's Alell. Never mind, DED, we found it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Oh look, there is a big ol' screw-up on me.
> >
> >
> >
> > The physical characteristics of Alell are 467. So, yes, indeed, it should
> > have had one of its stars increased to be F-K. I probably should have
> made
> > it have stellar data of "K7V M7V". I dunno why I screwed it up. Maybe I
> > thought two M7Vs in a tight formation would have produced enough heat?
> > Regardless, I should have definitely bumped it. Maybe I could have
> swapped
> > it around with Boughene and make Boughene be an M7V, and Alell be a K7V
> > M7V
> > so as to try and keep the distribution a little more like the original.
> >
> >
> >
> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated the
> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with the
> horrible
> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse to
> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I initially
> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike West
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
The US had one of the *lowest* percentages for people who think that the
sun goes around the Earth - number 2, the only country with a better
percentage was South Korea. Most of Europe and Canada, for example, was
around 1 in 3 that thinks the Sun orbits the Earth and much of South
America was even worse.
Typical example of media twisting facts to make a political point...
--
Mario
http://mario.silent-tower.org/
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 1:32 PM, D. Stanley <> wrote:
>
>
> You looked of course at the writers and noticed that the people who wrote
> the original Cosmos wrote this one as well. Well except for Sagan but I
> guess we'll have to excuse him for not putting his 2 cents worth into this
> one. J
>
>
>
> It's been a few weeks since I watched the first episode so I don't recall
> 100% what was said about Bruno but the essence of the individual was
> there. Benedictine monk, heliocentric solar system, excommunicated by the
> church, thought some crazy things, wandered Europe, burned at that stake.
> The problem with History is it's written by the victors and being burned at
> the stake doesn't count as a victory in my mind. Was Bruno a weird guy who
> wrote a lot of crazy things? Yes. Did he come up with an idea that no one
> else had come up with? Yes.
>
>
>
> To be honest if the average person walked away from the episode learning
> that the Earth goes around the sun and not the other way around... USA I'm
> looking in your direction here... I'd be happy.
>
>
>
> http://time.com/7809/1-in-4-americans-thinks-sun-orbits-earth/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* [
> ] *On Behalf Of *Master Uxi
> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 11:05 AM
> *To:*
> *Subject:* Re: [Traveller_TNE] Seth McFarlane
>
>
>
>
>
> I haven't watched since I saw the mendacious propaganda on Giordano Bruno
> and its complete misrepresentation of history. Definitely unworthy of
> Sagan's series.
>
> - Sent from my SM-N900T
>
> On Apr 7, 2014 10:54 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote:
>
>
>
> Heheheh...
>
>
>
> I was as shocked as you when I saw he was a producer months back but when
> I saw an interview with NdGT about it made a lot more sense.
>
>
>
> Can't find the original interview but here's one with Seth and while I
> don't have a ton of use for Family Guy you can't deny he's right about the
> lack of Science literacy in the world and if this makes people wonder and
> question things well I'm all for that.
>
>
>
> http://youtu.be/Ua5xqQpZp8Q
>
>
>
> My 7 year old is kind of on and off about the program, he's the poster
> child for ADHD and when he's got the focus he's onboard for it but when the
> focus dwindles it's difficult for him to concentrate long enough to connect
> the thoughts. Oddly he cheers every time Albert Einstein and Stephen
> Hawking are mentioned, although he doesn't really understand what they're
> about they're his hero's for some weird reason. I'll just go with it.
>
>
>
> It probably started when he was about 5 and I was watching something about
> the theory of relativity on the TV and after this long discussion on the TV
> that he really didn't seem to be following he looked at me and said. "So
> they're saying that an object in space bends and twists the fabric of space
> around it?"
>
>
>
> *From:* [
> ] *On Behalf Of *
> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 10:36 AM
> *To:*
> *Subject:* RE: [Traveller_TNE] Re: TNE - Stellar failure
>
>
>
>
>
> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated the
> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with the
> horrible
> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse to
> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I initially
> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
>
> I remember some early pre-TNE conversations where Frank saw the Hard
> Times, post-Rebellion, eventually Collapse dynamic as an in-game "silver
> lining" way to get rid of those worlds.
>
> Not an invalid thought, but you'd still have players and RC going to them
> to scrounge vacuum-preserved goodies. And there was also the dynamic that
> star change introduced into it. In addition to the Hi-Pop airless rocks
> you also had the Hi-Pop worlds with atmospheres around stars with no
> habitable zones, which worked out almost the same way, because you still
> had to put the population under domes or underground to provide artificial
> heat. Fixing the stars would allow them to survive without technology, but
> would require the "Collapser" to remember to fix the star before applying
> "Collapsing." That is the way it ought to have been done. Maybe the
> Gelinas article Alan mentioned in Challenge 77 goes into that, as I am
> clearly leery of saying, "this is what we did, and we succeeded," where
> that dynamic is involved.
>
> By the way, I had the TV on last night and watched some of the new
> "Cosmos" series on Fox, and I realized what the root of all my problems
> is.
>
> The executive producer of the new "Cosmos" is Seth McFarlane (Family Guy,
> American Dad, Cleveland Show).
>
> Clearly, everything that I thought I knew about anything is wrong. Just
> wrong.
>
> > Ø Oh look, there's Alell. Never mind, DED, we found it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Oh look, there is a big ol' screw-up on me.
> >
> >
> >
> > The physical characteristics of Alell are 467. So, yes, indeed, it should
> > have had one of its stars increased to be F-K. I probably should have
> made
> > it have stellar data of "K7V M7V". I dunno why I screwed it up. Maybe I
> > thought two M7Vs in a tight formation would have produced enough heat?
> > Regardless, I should have definitely bumped it. Maybe I could have
> swapped
> > it around with Boughene and make Boughene be an M7V, and Alell be a K7V
> > M7V
> > so as to try and keep the distribution a little more like the original.
> >
> >
> >
> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated the
> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with the
> horrible
> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse to
> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I initially
> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike West
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>