Thread: TNE Designer's Notes

16 posts.

TNEers--

I saw on a board over the weekend some guy said, "Nilsen wrote in his
designer's notes that..."

I don't remember any TNE designer's notes. Did I write some? If so, where?

Thanks,

Dave

Tge bell that keeps ringing in my mind was a handout in TNE Deluxe box? I
know there were Designer Notes included with Battle Rider...

- Sent from my SM-N900T
On Mar 25, 2014 8:37 AM, "Mario Butter" <>
wrote:

>
>
> Sorry, it was Loren that wrote it and it was a cross-post...
>
> http://www.cgi101.com/~lkw/AskDave.txt
>
> --
> Mario
>
> http://mario.silent-tower.org/
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 9:28 AM, <> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Could be. Are those linked anyplace?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> > He may have been referring to the long series of posts that you wrote on
>> > my
>> > TNE-RCES mailing list years ago.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Mario
>> >
>> > http://mario.silent-tower.org/
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 1:40 AM, <> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> TNEers--
>> >>
>> >> I saw on a board over the weekend some guy said, "Nilsen wrote in his
>> >> designer's notes that..."
>> >>
>> >> I don't remember any TNE designer's notes. Did I write some? If so,
>> >> where?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>
>> >> Dave
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
Thanks. Yeah, I've seen that, that was the COTI command performance from
2004. Amazing how many of my words are still floating around out there.

Whatever this guy was referring to came out while GDW was alive. We always
put designer's notes in wargames, but I don't think we ever put them in
RPGs, but I could be wrong.

In retrospect, I think it would have been a good idea to put out some kind
of designer's notes or intro to TNE to the effect, "Hey, old-time
Traveller players. Here's why we did what we did, here were some of the
possibilities we considered, and here's why we chose this one as the most
fair and honest way to go."

On the other hand, it is likely that I suggested that at the time but was
told:

1. No, this is supposed to attract new players, so you can't wrap it in a
conversation with old ones, and

2. No, that will look like an apology and will have the opposite intended
result, let the work speak for itself.

Those thoughts sound familiar, so may be what happened.

> Sorry, it was Loren that wrote it and it was a cross-post...
>
> http://www.cgi101.com/~lkw/AskDave.txt
>
> --
> Mario
>
> http://mario.silent-tower.org/
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 9:28 AM, <> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Could be. Are those linked anyplace?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> > He may have been referring to the long series of posts that you wrote
>> on
>> > my
>> > TNE-RCES mailing list years ago.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Mario
>> >
>> > http://mario.silent-tower.org/
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 1:40 AM, <> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> TNEers--
>> >>
>> >> I saw on a board over the weekend some guy said, "Nilsen wrote in his
>> >> designer's notes that..."
>> >>
>> >> I don't remember any TNE designer's notes. Did I write some? If so,
>> >> where?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>
>> >> Dave
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>

By the way, TIM/BARDBEAR, you might want to check that out re: your recent
question. I will still answer the questions you asked, but that might shed
additional light, or permit you to say, "yeah, he sure does repeat himself
a lot." What's scary is that something that seems to me a fresh thought
months or years later is more like me going back to the neurons, writing a
query, and getting a "new report," but which is in fact identical to the
old one as the query is pulling the same data, but there is no warning,
"you've already run this report, look in the archive."

> Thanks. Yeah, I've seen that, that was the COTI command performance from
> 2004. Amazing how many of my words are still floating around out there.
>
> Whatever this guy was referring to came out while GDW was alive. We always
> put designer's notes in wargames, but I don't think we ever put them in
> RPGs, but I could be wrong.
>
> In retrospect, I think it would have been a good idea to put out some kind
> of designer's notes or intro to TNE to the effect, "Hey, old-time
> Traveller players. Here's why we did what we did, here were some of the
> possibilities we considered, and here's why we chose this one as the most
> fair and honest way to go."
>
> On the other hand, it is likely that I suggested that at the time but was
> told:
>
> 1. No, this is supposed to attract new players, so you can't wrap it in a
> conversation with old ones, and
>
> 2. No, that will look like an apology and will have the opposite intended
> result, let the work speak for itself.
>
> Those thoughts sound familiar, so may be what happened.
>
>> Sorry, it was Loren that wrote it and it was a cross-post...
>>
>> http://www.cgi101.com/~lkw/AskDave.txt
>>
>> --
>> Mario
>>
>> http://mario.silent-tower.org/
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 9:28 AM, <> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Could be. Are those linked anyplace?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> > He may have been referring to the long series of posts that you wrote
>>> on
>>> > my
>>> > TNE-RCES mailing list years ago.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Mario
>>> >
>>> > http://mario.silent-tower.org/
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 1:40 AM, <> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> TNEers--
>>> >>
>>> >> I saw on a board over the weekend some guy said, "Nilsen wrote in
>>> his
>>> >> designer's notes that..."
>>> >>
>>> >> I don't remember any TNE designer's notes. Did I write some? If so,
>>> >> where?
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks,
>>> >>
>>> >> Dave
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Maybe. I can only remember the green cardstock player-aids for chargen IIRC.

BR was a boardgame, so would have had Des/Dev Notes come standard. Always
a clear boardgame tradition.

> Tge bell that keeps ringing in my mind was a handout in TNE Deluxe box? I
> know there were Designer Notes included with Battle Rider...
>
> - Sent from my SM-N900T
> On Mar 25, 2014 8:37 AM, "Mario Butter" <>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Sorry, it was Loren that wrote it and it was a cross-post...
>>
>> http://www.cgi101.com/~lkw/AskDave.txt
>>
>> --
>> Mario
>>
>> http://mario.silent-tower.org/
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 9:28 AM, <> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Could be. Are those linked anyplace?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> > He may have been referring to the long series of posts that you wrote
>>> on
>>> > my
>>> > TNE-RCES mailing list years ago.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Mario
>>> >
>>> > http://mario.silent-tower.org/
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 1:40 AM, <> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> TNEers--
>>> >>
>>> >> I saw on a board over the weekend some guy said, "Nilsen wrote in
>>> his
>>> >> designer's notes that..."
>>> >>
>>> >> I don't remember any TNE designer's notes. Did I write some? If so,
>>> >> where?
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks,
>>> >>
>>> >> Dave
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Dave,

Yep i have that thread book marked. It has a lot of good info, and influenced some areas of my current campaign. But, your perspective is always valuable to me - I get the impression we have very little real world experience overlap, so your perspective is very different than mine, in a cool and fascinating way.

I re-read it yesterday, it has a lot more information than I remembered
remembering.

I still think we were at Dook at the same time. You remember, two seasons:
Monsoon season, and girls sunbathing on the quad season. During the
latter, the girls in class were always begging the prof* to have class
outside. I remember my favorite Philosophy prof (name escapes me, I can
see him, from Davidson) replied, "Out there? We can't go out there. That's
the lush, southern tundra."

So my big list, DJ, bus driver, Pizza Devil delivery guy and cook, no
overlap?

The heart and soul of my Traveller campaign is still down there in Durham,
including the real live starship Belladonna in something like 1:350 and
stacks and stacks of three foot x three foot color deckplans. Those were
the days. Note: that Belladonna is not the RCS Belladonna except in
general concept and streamlining, just memorialized the name.

Heh, you called me "cool."

*"Prof" sounds preppie so I don't like it. However, I don't feel like
typing "professor." Lucky I saved all this time by typing up a footnote
instead of actually typing out the full word.

> Dave,
>
> Yep i have that thread book marked. It has a lot of good info, and
> influenced some areas of my current campaign. But, your perspective is
> always valuable to me - I get the impression we have very little real
> world experience overlap, so your perspective is very different than
> mine, in a cool and fascinating way.
>
>

Which are lost to the ether, I think...

Sent from my iPad

On 25 Mar 2014, at 22:12, Mario Butter <> wrote:

> He may have been referring to the long series of posts that you wrote on my TNE-RCES mailing list years ago.
>
> --
> Mario
>
> http://mario.silent-tower.org/
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 1:40 AM, <> wrote:
>
> TNEers--
>
> I saw on a board over the weekend some guy said, "Nilsen wrote in his
> designer's notes that..."
>
> I don't remember any TNE designer's notes. Did I write some? If so, where?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
>
>
>
I saved them, if noone else did

- Sent from my SM-N900T
On Mar 25, 2014 8:51 PM, "Eamon Watters" <> wrote:

>
>
> Which are lost to the ether, I think...
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 25 Mar 2014, at 22:12, Mario Butter <>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> He may have been referring to the long series of posts that you wrote on
> my TNE-RCES mailing list years ago.
>
> --
> Mario
>
> http://mario.silent-tower.org/
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 1:40 AM, <> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> TNEers--
>>
>> I saw on a board over the weekend some guy said, "Nilsen wrote in his
>> designer's notes that..."
>>
>> I don't remember any TNE designer's notes. Did I write some? If so, where?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>
>
Boo. All my repetitive brilliance gone, never to be adored again?

Someone's got it somewhere, WE just may never see it again.

And that "long series of posts on TNE-RCES" is different from the long
series of posts on COTI?

O-bla-ee, O-bla-dah.

> Which are lost to the ether, I think...
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 25 Mar 2014, at 22:12, Mario Butter <>
> wrote:
>
>> He may have been referring to the long series of posts that you wrote on
>> my TNE-RCES mailing list years ago.
>>
>> --
>> Mario
>>
>> http://mario.silent-tower.org/
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 1:40 AM, <> wrote:
>>
>> TNEers--
>>
>> I saw on a board over the weekend some guy said, "Nilsen wrote in his
>> designer's notes that..."
>>
>> I don't remember any TNE designer's notes. Did I write some? If so,
>> where?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>

Uxi--

If time permits, if you could send me a link to them or a ZIP, or whatever
is easy, I would appreciate it.

I'm collecting notes for my opus, "Everything I know about life I learned
at GDW." :-)

Dave

> I saved them, if noone else did
>
> - Sent from my SM-N900T
> On Mar 25, 2014 8:51 PM, "Eamon Watters" <> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Which are lost to the ether, I think...
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On 25 Mar 2014, at 22:12, Mario Butter <>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> He may have been referring to the long series of posts that you wrote on
>> my TNE-RCES mailing list years ago.
>>
>> --
>> Mario
>>
>> http://mario.silent-tower.org/
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 1:40 AM, <> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> TNEers--
>>>
>>> I saw on a board over the weekend some guy said, "Nilsen wrote in his
>>> designer's notes that..."
>>>
>>> I don't remember any TNE designer's notes. Did I write some? If so,
>>> where?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

I put it up at masteruxi.net/traveller/DAVEARCH.TXT.

I think I have the COTI one Loren put up, too, if you need that.

- Sent from my SM-N900T
On Mar 26, 2014 11:09 AM, <> wrote:

>
>
> Uxi--
>
> If time permits, if you could send me a link to them or a ZIP, or whatever
> is easy, I would appreciate it.
>
> I'm collecting notes for my opus, "Everything I know about life I learned
> at GDW." :-)
>
> Dave
>
> > I saved them, if noone else did
> >
> > - Sent from my SM-N900T
> > On Mar 25, 2014 8:51 PM, "Eamon Watters" <>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Which are lost to the ether, I think...
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >> On 25 Mar 2014, at 22:12, Mario Butter <>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> He may have been referring to the long series of posts that you wrote on
> >> my TNE-RCES mailing list years ago.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Mario
> >>
> >> http://mario.silent-tower.org/
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 1:40 AM, <> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> TNEers--
> >>>
> >>> I saw on a board over the weekend some guy said, "Nilsen wrote in his
> >>> designer's notes that..."
> >>>
> >>> I don't remember any TNE designer's notes. Did I write some? If so,
> >>> where?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Dave
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
Thanks. I already have the COTI one from Loren.

....

HOLY COW. 1997?

I have no recollection of that at all. Obviously that guy talks like me,
so it happened. But until I saw that I would have sworn up and down that
between 1995 and the 2004 COTI command performance I had spoken privately
to Loren, spoken privately to MJD, and booted the SJG Aliens module and
that was it. And then they would have thrown me in jail for perjury.

This will be interesting, and perhaps provides data on the psychology of
how a test subject files memories of things he is helpless to do anything
about. God, I hate being a test subject.

This ain't "Designer's Notes" either...I may wind up being sorry I brought
this up.

> I put it up at masteruxi.net/traveller/DAVEARCH.TXT.
>
> I think I have the COTI one Loren put up, too, if you need that.
>
> - Sent from my SM-N900T
> On Mar 26, 2014 11:09 AM, <> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Uxi--
>>
>> If time permits, if you could send me a link to them or a ZIP, or
>> whatever
>> is easy, I would appreciate it.
>>
>> I'm collecting notes for my opus, "Everything I know about life I
>> learned
>> at GDW." :-)
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> > I saved them, if noone else did
>> >
>> > - Sent from my SM-N900T
>> > On Mar 25, 2014 8:51 PM, "Eamon Watters" <>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Which are lost to the ether, I think...
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPad
>> >>
>> >> On 25 Mar 2014, at 22:12, Mario Butter
>> <>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> He may have been referring to the long series of posts that you wrote
>> on
>> >> my TNE-RCES mailing list years ago.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Mario
>> >>
>> >> http://mario.silent-tower.org/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 1:40 AM, <> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> TNEers--
>> >>>
>> >>> I saw on a board over the weekend some guy said, "Nilsen wrote in
>> his
>> >>> designer's notes that..."
>> >>>
>> >>> I don't remember any TNE designer's notes. Did I write some? If so,
>> >>> where?
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>>
>> >>> Dave
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>

Blech.

My head is pounding and my ears are ringing. Thanks for sending that, Uxi,
and thanks for pointing out that that existed, Mario. While I will say
some things below about not wanting to read it, I am grateful that when
there is evidence out there that I lived on this planet and spoke with
people I have the chance to see it and be reminded of things I had
forgotten. Whether I enjoy it or not, the truth is the truth and I wish to
be informed by the truth.

I read down a little bit and saw some stuff I still don't remember.

I do remember the "going on survival rations" part. We called it
"Operation Mudfish," inspired by a French operation in Chad, I think, but
I didn't remember that period until I just read about it. That would have
been the period after the doctrine development project got shot out of the
saddle by ATSC and before our first distance learning contract.

(During the late doctrine development period I do have the separate memory
of the last time I ever spoke to Paul Brunette, recounted elsewhere.)

I don't remember talking to anyone about TNE in 1997 (except Brunette,
above). Clearly I did. We had been building the doctrine development site
for the Armor School around this time (95-96-97), and the WWW was still
newish. Either I stumbled across me, or someone else in the office said,
"hey Dave, your name keeps showing up over here." I don't remember hearing
that Marc was asking around about EW, although I do remember that no one
ever contacted me to ask. I don't remember sending e-mails out to follow
up which "disappeared behind a black curtain."

I see that I was testy and irritable and got into a "he said/he said" with
Harold which was unnecessary.

I also see direct evidence there of what I said in reply to Jim a couple
days ago, "where there is a grain of truth..."

And I guess I owe Harold another apology beyond the one about Children of
Earth I mentioned recently, which is "Yeah, Harold, maybe I was going
through my own personal hell, sorry for trying to contradict you on that."
Probably no one likes evidence of people speculating about them out of
earshot (it's natural, we all do it, meaning no harm); obviously I didn't.
Oscar Wilde supposedly said (via Monty Python, my main source of news),
"the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about."
To which I respond, "Are you sure?"

I think that part of living through sub-optimal things is keeping your own
morale up by telling yourself your morale is good until it gets a chance
to improve. And maybe another part of that is that those experiences are
in a raw part of your brain that gets boxed up, nailed closed, and shoved
into a far back corner. That's maybe an interesting data point, but like I
said earlier, I probably don't want to be a test subject.

I did not read any further, I don't want to re-live that any more. 1991-95
is good, 1997, not so much.

Mario, Uxi, seriously, thanks. Uxi, I try to maintain a sense of humor
about myself, so I have to ask: In saving that for the last 16 years or
so, what folder did you have it saved in, "Epic Personality Meltdowns?"
:-)

Finally, one last scientific observation (since I am a test subject, like
it or not). My observations above remind me of why I don't want to read
the 1248 material. Memory is a tricky thing, and if I can avoid muddying
up the ones I've got left, that's probably prudent.

I'm going to get some aspirin and feed the dogs.

> Thanks. I already have the COTI one from Loren.
>
> ....
>
> HOLY COW. 1997?
>
> I have no recollection of that at all. Obviously that guy talks like me,
so it happened. But until I saw that I would have sworn up and down that
between 1995 and the 2004 COTI command performance I had spoken
privately
> to Loren, spoken privately to MJD, and booted the SJG Aliens module and
that was it. And then they would have thrown me in jail for perjury.
>
> This will be interesting, and perhaps provides data on the psychology of
how a test subject files memories of things he is helpless to do
anything
> about. God, I hate being a test subject.
>
> This ain't "Designer's Notes" either...I may wind up being sorry I
brought
> this up.
>
>> I put it up at masteruxi.net/traveller/DAVEARCH.TXT.
>> I think I have the COTI one Loren put up, too, if you need that. - Sent
from my SM-N900T
>> On Mar 26, 2014 11:09 AM, <> wrote:
>>> Uxi--
>>> If time permits, if you could send me a link to them or a ZIP, or
whatever
>>> is easy, I would appreciate it.
>>> I'm collecting notes for my opus, "Everything I know about life I
learned
>>> at GDW." :-)
>>> Dave
>>> > I saved them, if noone else did
>>> >
>>> > - Sent from my SM-N900T
>>> > On Mar 25, 2014 8:51 PM, "Eamon Watters" <>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Which are lost to the ether, I think...
>>> >>
>>> >> Sent from my iPad
>>> >>
>>> >> On 25 Mar 2014, at 22:12, Mario Butter
>>> <>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> He may have been referring to the long series of posts that you
>>> wrote
>>> on
>>> >> my TNE-RCES mailing list years ago.
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Mario
>>> >>
>>> >> http://mario.silent-tower.org/
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 1:40 AM, <> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> TNEers--
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I saw on a board over the weekend some guy said, "Nilsen wrote in
>>> his
>>> >>> designer's notes that..."
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I don't remember any TNE designer's notes. Did I write some? If
so,
>>> >>> where?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Thanks,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Dave
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>
>

It was in my Traveller/TNE/archive folder... First on my Athlon 900 then my
P4 VAIO and now on my macs and in the cloud on my Gdrive. After losing the
FAT on my old Pentium 60 in the mid 90s, I became obsessed with manual
backups and would burn to CD then DVD and now uploading my files from RPG
to site archives, spreadsheets, etc. Biggest problem I have from the
earliest era is I liked to use MS Write for some reason which usually leads
to gibberish in most modern programs that I sift through before converting
to Word or text.

I was actually in Knox from May through August of 97 (in fact I remember
picking up Regency Combat Vehicle Guide at the mall in Louisville someone
around then) with the MarDet at the USAAC learning the Abrams so found out
about it later when I became involved with TNE-RCES. I emailed you direct
somewhere in 98 or 99 probably and then drifted away when my gaming group
split up until finding COTI in 2002.

- Sent from my SM-N900T
On Mar 26, 2014 6:13 PM, <> wrote:

>
>
> Blech.
>
> My head is pounding and my ears are ringing. Thanks for sending that, Uxi,
> and thanks for pointing out that that existed, Mario. While I will say
> some things below about not wanting to read it, I am grateful that when
> there is evidence out there that I lived on this planet and spoke with
> people I have the chance to see it and be reminded of things I had
> forgotten. Whether I enjoy it or not, the truth is the truth and I wish to
> be informed by the truth.
>
> I read down a little bit and saw some stuff I still don't remember.
>
> I do remember the "going on survival rations" part. We called it
> "Operation Mudfish," inspired by a French operation in Chad, I think, but
> I didn't remember that period until I just read about it. That would have
> been the period after the doctrine development project got shot out of the
> saddle by ATSC and before our first distance learning contract.
>
> (During the late doctrine development period I do have the separate memory
> of the last time I ever spoke to Paul Brunette, recounted elsewhere.)
>
> I don't remember talking to anyone about TNE in 1997 (except Brunette,
> above). Clearly I did. We had been building the doctrine development site
> for the Armor School around this time (95-96-97), and the WWW was still
> newish. Either I stumbled across me, or someone else in the office said,
> "hey Dave, your name keeps showing up over here." I don't remember hearing
> that Marc was asking around about EW, although I do remember that no one
> ever contacted me to ask. I don't remember sending e-mails out to follow
> up which "disappeared behind a black curtain."
>
> I see that I was testy and irritable and got into a "he said/he said" with
> Harold which was unnecessary.
>
> I also see direct evidence there of what I said in reply to Jim a couple
> days ago, "where there is a grain of truth..."
>
> And I guess I owe Harold another apology beyond the one about Children of
> Earth I mentioned recently, which is "Yeah, Harold, maybe I was going
> through my own personal hell, sorry for trying to contradict you on that."
> Probably no one likes evidence of people speculating about them out of
> earshot (it's natural, we all do it, meaning no harm); obviously I didn't.
> Oscar Wilde supposedly said (via Monty Python, my main source of news),
> "the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about."
> To which I respond, "Are you sure?"
>
> I think that part of living through sub-optimal things is keeping your own
> morale up by telling yourself your morale is good until it gets a chance
> to improve. And maybe another part of that is that those experiences are
> in a raw part of your brain that gets boxed up, nailed closed, and shoved
> into a far back corner. That's maybe an interesting data point, but like I
> said earlier, I probably don't want to be a test subject.
>
> I did not read any further, I don't want to re-live that any more. 1991-95
> is good, 1997, not so much.
>
> Mario, Uxi, seriously, thanks. Uxi, I try to maintain a sense of humor
> about myself, so I have to ask: In saving that for the last 16 years or
> so, what folder did you have it saved in, "Epic Personality Meltdowns?"
> :-)
>
> Finally, one last scientific observation (since I am a test subject, like
> it or not). My observations above remind me of why I don't want to read
> the 1248 material. Memory is a tricky thing, and if I can avoid muddying
> up the ones I've got left, that's probably prudent.
>
> I'm going to get some aspirin and feed the dogs.
>
> > Thanks. I already have the COTI one from Loren.
> >
> > ....
> >
> > HOLY COW. 1997?
> >
> > I have no recollection of that at all. Obviously that guy talks like me,
> so it happened. But until I saw that I would have sworn up and down that
> between 1995 and the 2004 COTI command performance I had spoken
> privately
> > to Loren, spoken privately to MJD, and booted the SJG Aliens module and
> that was it. And then they would have thrown me in jail for perjury.
> >
> > This will be interesting, and perhaps provides data on the psychology of
> how a test subject files memories of things he is helpless to do
> anything
> > about. God, I hate being a test subject.
> >
> > This ain't "Designer's Notes" either...I may wind up being sorry I
> brought
> > this up.
> >
> >> I put it up at masteruxi.net/traveller/DAVEARCH.TXT.
> >> I think I have the COTI one Loren put up, too, if you need that. - Sent
> from my SM-N900T
> >> On Mar 26, 2014 11:09 AM, <> wrote:
> >>> Uxi--
> >>> If time permits, if you could send me a link to them or a ZIP, or
> whatever
> >>> is easy, I would appreciate it.
> >>> I'm collecting notes for my opus, "Everything I know about life I
> learned
> >>> at GDW." :-)
> >>> Dave
> >>> > I saved them, if noone else did
> >>> >
> >>> > - Sent from my SM-N900T
> >>> > On Mar 25, 2014 8:51 PM, "Eamon Watters" <>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Which are lost to the ether, I think...
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On 25 Mar 2014, at 22:12, Mario Butter
> >>> <>
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> He may have been referring to the long series of posts that you
> >>> wrote
> >>> on
> >>> >> my TNE-RCES mailing list years ago.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> --
> >>> >> Mario
> >>> >>
> >>> >> http://mario.silent-tower.org/
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 1:40 AM, <> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> TNEers--
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I saw on a board over the weekend some guy said, "Nilsen wrote in
> >>> his
> >>> >>> designer's notes that..."
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I don't remember any TNE designer's notes. Did I write some? If
> so,
> >>> >>> where?
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Thanks,
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Dave
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
Holy frap, you continue to impress. When I asked the question I had no
idea you would be able to answer it across time as well.

Speaking of FATs, I used to have nightmares where the FAT in my brain was
corrupted and I could no longer be sure which of my memories were valid,
or were other memories mis-assigned to that marker. I could tell this in
the nightmare because a grid of red dots would be superimposed over my
visual field that was somehow the "system warning" in my brain that the
FAT was corrupted and nothing was what I thought it was. When I woke up
from these nightmares I could not snap out of it, but the terror would
remain that I wouldn't really know if this was my bed, if that was really
a "telephone," and I would have to go back to sleep to allow my brain to
reset. I remembered that recently when considering the rash of TV shows
that have people with "chips implanted in their brains." I hate it when my
brain's FAT gets corrupted. And you thought you were crazy.

Re: Knox Mar Det '97, that constellation of time-date-location makes me
want to think, but I will settle for, I spent a lot of time with Roger
Angell from the Mar Det around that time, did you know him?

Also, someone back during that exile period said to me, "If you meet the
Dave on the road, kill the Dave." Whether he was comparing me to Buddha or
just wanted to kill me, I don't recall.

> It was in my Traveller/TNE/archive folder... First on my Athlon 900 then
> my
> P4 VAIO and now on my macs and in the cloud on my Gdrive. After losing the
> FAT on my old Pentium 60 in the mid 90s, I became obsessed with manual
> backups and would burn to CD then DVD and now uploading my files from RPG
> to site archives, spreadsheets, etc. Biggest problem I have from the
> earliest era is I liked to use MS Write for some reason which usually
> leads
> to gibberish in most modern programs that I sift through before converting
> to Word or text.
>
> I was actually in Knox from May through August of 97 (in fact I remember
> picking up Regency Combat Vehicle Guide at the mall in Louisville someone
> around then) with the MarDet at the USAAC learning the Abrams so found out
> about it later when I became involved with TNE-RCES. I emailed you direct
> somewhere in 98 or 99 probably and then drifted away when my gaming group
> split up until finding COTI in 2002.
>
> - Sent from my SM-N900T
> On Mar 26, 2014 6:13 PM, <> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Blech.
>>
>> My head is pounding and my ears are ringing. Thanks for sending that,
>> Uxi,
>> and thanks for pointing out that that existed, Mario. While I will say
>> some things below about not wanting to read it, I am grateful that when
>> there is evidence out there that I lived on this planet and spoke with
>> people I have the chance to see it and be reminded of things I had
>> forgotten. Whether I enjoy it or not, the truth is the truth and I wish
>> to
>> be informed by the truth.
>>
>> I read down a little bit and saw some stuff I still don't remember.
>>
>> I do remember the "going on survival rations" part. We called it
>> "Operation Mudfish," inspired by a French operation in Chad, I think,
>> but
>> I didn't remember that period until I just read about it. That would
>> have
>> been the period after the doctrine development project got shot out of
>> the
>> saddle by ATSC and before our first distance learning contract.
>>
>> (During the late doctrine development period I do have the separate
>> memory
>> of the last time I ever spoke to Paul Brunette, recounted elsewhere.)
>>
>> I don't remember talking to anyone about TNE in 1997 (except Brunette,
>> above). Clearly I did. We had been building the doctrine development
>> site
>> for the Armor School around this time (95-96-97), and the WWW was still
>> newish. Either I stumbled across me, or someone else in the office said,
>> "hey Dave, your name keeps showing up over here." I don't remember
>> hearing
>> that Marc was asking around about EW, although I do remember that no one
>> ever contacted me to ask. I don't remember sending e-mails out to follow
>> up which "disappeared behind a black curtain."
>>
>> I see that I was testy and irritable and got into a "he said/he said"
>> with
>> Harold which was unnecessary.
>>
>> I also see direct evidence there of what I said in reply to Jim a couple
>> days ago, "where there is a grain of truth..."
>>
>> And I guess I owe Harold another apology beyond the one about Children
>> of
>> Earth I mentioned recently, which is "Yeah, Harold, maybe I was going
>> through my own personal hell, sorry for trying to contradict you on
>> that."
>> Probably no one likes evidence of people speculating about them out of
>> earshot (it's natural, we all do it, meaning no harm); obviously I
>> didn't.
>> Oscar Wilde supposedly said (via Monty Python, my main source of news),
>> "the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked
>> about."
>> To which I respond, "Are you sure?"
>>
>> I think that part of living through sub-optimal things is keeping your
>> own
>> morale up by telling yourself your morale is good until it gets a chance
>> to improve. And maybe another part of that is that those experiences are
>> in a raw part of your brain that gets boxed up, nailed closed, and
>> shoved
>> into a far back corner. That's maybe an interesting data point, but like
>> I
>> said earlier, I probably don't want to be a test subject.
>>
>> I did not read any further, I don't want to re-live that any more.
>> 1991-95
>> is good, 1997, not so much.
>>
>> Mario, Uxi, seriously, thanks. Uxi, I try to maintain a sense of humor
>> about myself, so I have to ask: In saving that for the last 16 years or
>> so, what folder did you have it saved in, "Epic Personality Meltdowns?"
>> :-)
>>
>> Finally, one last scientific observation (since I am a test subject,
>> like
>> it or not). My observations above remind me of why I don't want to read
>> the 1248 material. Memory is a tricky thing, and if I can avoid muddying
>> up the ones I've got left, that's probably prudent.
>>
>> I'm going to get some aspirin and feed the dogs.
>>