Cranes were something that periodically indicted me with their necessity.
As an example, that spindly elbow boom that Kirk put on the recovery
vehicle in RCVG. Cranes are rightly important and valuable capital and
wanted more detail, but the big discontinuity introduced by CG made the
pay-off pretty low. You could make a really, really good crane design
sequence, which includes how hybrid, then fully CG-enabled systems worked,
but it would be essentially passed over in favor of sexier things (that go
boom) kind of like World Tamer's Handbook. Lots of useful stuff in there
for grassroots "how does society function" stuff, but that's generally
passed over by the standard campaign. Frank routinely chastised me for how
good the laser design sequence was, but that in bang-per-buck it took more
design time than it justified.
WTH is actually a good data point for using out-of-house resources. They
generally have something they are excited about doing, but it may not be
the thing you'd focus on otherwise. You want to find a way to use the
enthusiasm and extra set of hands and respond to the "can I? can I? can
I?" so you put it on the production schedule where it consumes time and
resources that maybe could have gone to something with a little more
clamor. The three TNE products that I think I have never heard any
comments about are Player Forms, Ref Screen, and WTH.
> on your comment about cargo shifting. I had fun creating a "seagoing"
> version of the petty. Yes it was a starship, and yes, it was constructed
> to
> look like a sea vessel. Including a Boom style crane that folded down to
> the deck for flight. I just considered it to be 2 tons displacement and 4
> tons mass. likewise an MHD turbine for thrust in the ocean for that
> 'authentic sonar sound'. 2 tns displacement and mass. handwavium for cost
> as it was truthfully window dressing for a first contact ship on an ocean
> world. In fact, when I was don it downright resembled an LST from WW2, in
> case anyone here has ever read 'the ninety and 9'.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Master Uxi
> [Traveller_TNE] <> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> It felt like fan material to me, which IIRC it was before GT.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015, 07:24 [Traveller_TNE] <
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hal, I wouldn't worry too much about just what is cannon or not. Its
>>> true that only something from GDW or FFE is true cannon, but with all
>>> the
>>> licensed by and authorized by and whatever by that true cannon has gone
>>> out
>>> the window, at least for me. The thing I like about Traveller, besides
>>> all
>>> the fun we have is how easy it is to translate it from one Era to
>>> another or from one book series to another If you find a nugget don't
>>> hold back, enjoy. If you find something you want to share here please
>>> do,
>>> thoughts and ideas from here have translated into some fine gaming for
>>> us.
>>> I suggest that if you still feel uncomfortable about sharing something,
>>> that you just make a note that you got this from wherever you got it.
>>> This
>>> way if say you share a ship design you do up, that someone can choose
>>> to
>>> keep, change or replace the what's-a--ma-call-it with something of
>>> their
>>> choosing.
>>>
>>> I've done this myself many times. Hand thrusters for use in persons
>>> maneuvering in space, there are none in TNE, but MT equipment book as
>>> one.
>>> When you finish a ship design the hole left over usually gets a sticker
>>> reading Cargo Bay slapped on it, but how do you move cargo from one end
>>> to
>>> the other. I thought about an overhead gantry crane, but FF&S-1
>>> doesn't
>>> have one, FF&S-2 does though. Now when our cargo master tells us to
>>> shift
>>> a 3-ton container from the back of the bay we don't have to cut cards
>>> to
>>> see who gets to shot him in the backside.
>>>
>>> So feel free to mine the nuggets you find and again please share
>>> anything
>>> you want to, one persons thought idea or whatever could be another's
>>> gold
>>> mine.
>>>
>>> Roger
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> "Christmas is a time when kids tell Santa what they want and adults pay
> for
> it. Deficits are when adults tell the government what they want and their
> kids pay for it."
>
As an example, that spindly elbow boom that Kirk put on the recovery
vehicle in RCVG. Cranes are rightly important and valuable capital and
wanted more detail, but the big discontinuity introduced by CG made the
pay-off pretty low. You could make a really, really good crane design
sequence, which includes how hybrid, then fully CG-enabled systems worked,
but it would be essentially passed over in favor of sexier things (that go
boom) kind of like World Tamer's Handbook. Lots of useful stuff in there
for grassroots "how does society function" stuff, but that's generally
passed over by the standard campaign. Frank routinely chastised me for how
good the laser design sequence was, but that in bang-per-buck it took more
design time than it justified.
WTH is actually a good data point for using out-of-house resources. They
generally have something they are excited about doing, but it may not be
the thing you'd focus on otherwise. You want to find a way to use the
enthusiasm and extra set of hands and respond to the "can I? can I? can
I?" so you put it on the production schedule where it consumes time and
resources that maybe could have gone to something with a little more
clamor. The three TNE products that I think I have never heard any
comments about are Player Forms, Ref Screen, and WTH.
> on your comment about cargo shifting. I had fun creating a "seagoing"
> version of the petty. Yes it was a starship, and yes, it was constructed
> to
> look like a sea vessel. Including a Boom style crane that folded down to
> the deck for flight. I just considered it to be 2 tons displacement and 4
> tons mass. likewise an MHD turbine for thrust in the ocean for that
> 'authentic sonar sound'. 2 tns displacement and mass. handwavium for cost
> as it was truthfully window dressing for a first contact ship on an ocean
> world. In fact, when I was don it downright resembled an LST from WW2, in
> case anyone here has ever read 'the ninety and 9'.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Master Uxi
> [Traveller_TNE] <> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> It felt like fan material to me, which IIRC it was before GT.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015, 07:24 [Traveller_TNE] <
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hal, I wouldn't worry too much about just what is cannon or not. Its
>>> true that only something from GDW or FFE is true cannon, but with all
>>> the
>>> licensed by and authorized by and whatever by that true cannon has gone
>>> out
>>> the window, at least for me. The thing I like about Traveller, besides
>>> all
>>> the fun we have is how easy it is to translate it from one Era to
>>> another or from one book series to another If you find a nugget don't
>>> hold back, enjoy. If you find something you want to share here please
>>> do,
>>> thoughts and ideas from here have translated into some fine gaming for
>>> us.
>>> I suggest that if you still feel uncomfortable about sharing something,
>>> that you just make a note that you got this from wherever you got it.
>>> This
>>> way if say you share a ship design you do up, that someone can choose
>>> to
>>> keep, change or replace the what's-a--ma-call-it with something of
>>> their
>>> choosing.
>>>
>>> I've done this myself many times. Hand thrusters for use in persons
>>> maneuvering in space, there are none in TNE, but MT equipment book as
>>> one.
>>> When you finish a ship design the hole left over usually gets a sticker
>>> reading Cargo Bay slapped on it, but how do you move cargo from one end
>>> to
>>> the other. I thought about an overhead gantry crane, but FF&S-1
>>> doesn't
>>> have one, FF&S-2 does though. Now when our cargo master tells us to
>>> shift
>>> a 3-ton container from the back of the bay we don't have to cut cards
>>> to
>>> see who gets to shot him in the backside.
>>>
>>> So feel free to mine the nuggets you find and again please share
>>> anything
>>> you want to, one persons thought idea or whatever could be another's
>>> gold
>>> mine.
>>>
>>> Roger
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> "Christmas is a time when kids tell Santa what they want and adults pay
> for
> it. Deficits are when adults tell the government what they want and their
> kids pay for it."
>