Exactly.
The sad thing is that Traveller undermined a lot of this with random
UPP/UWP generation. You could have an A starport (shipyard) on a world
with an insignificant population, or a Hi-Pop, Hi-Tech world with a B
Starport. Really? No one there wants a starship? A lot of logic goes right
out the window with randomization at that level. Or, rather, you have to
recalibrate your logic to try to figure out internal structure to all of
the characteristics which APPEAR random, but which we know are absolutely
real in the universe...somehow.
And then there's the whole issue that 90% of the time a PC crew just wants
to dump the cargo, pick up a new one, and head out without interruption
and don't care about any of the rest of it. The game wanted to function on
a lot of different levels, and those different levels made a lot of unkind
demands on each other.
> and consider that an A class star port is not necessarily the physical
> structure on the planet, or in orbit but a whole range of support
> facilities for building and testing the materials etc. Â I worked at a
> 500kw broadcast radio system - VLF range the coils on that thing ... well
> the difference from a hotwheels toy car and the real thing. Â So it makes
> sense that the A class port would have capabilities that lower class ports
> don't. Â Some tests may require a whole solar system to be able to do them
> properly ... even assembly line built ships, components etc can have
> failures ,,, sometimes spectacular ones ... how much more for something
> that is half custom built like a j drive?
>
> On Saturday, February 21, 2015 1:59 PM, "
> [Traveller_TNE]" <> wrote:
>
>
> Â Roger--
>
> I agree with your premise about bringing the drive to the hull, but that's
> not the way I went, because it would violate the spirit of starport
> classifications, and it was not our place to undermine too many settled
> Traveller conventions (pick your favorite convention that we DID
> violate--focal arrays vs. Space Battleship Yamato style WW2 turrets is my
> favorite distinction without a difference). The RC and the Covenant of
> Suffren raised this issue all the time, but I didn't want to get into,
> "it's a type A starport except when it's not, it's a type B starport
> except when it's a type A." Logically the difference between Type A and B
> is not like the difference between Lead and Gold, but more like the
> difference between Uranium 238 and Thorium 234. For all I know, the sacred
> UWP difference between A and B is like the number of stars in a Michelin
> guide: some numbskull at TAS decides "it's a B" and it is because he says
> so. That's another piece of the expanded rules I've talked about, "how do
> you develop a B Starport into an A Starport," and I wasn't going to trash
> the distinction, but put out rules to visualize what the distinction
> actually was and how you could manipulate and evolve it. Whether we
> touched on any of that in World Tamer's I don't recall, but think we
> didn't go that far.
>
> So bottom line is that I was deliberately saying that if you were going to
> install a Jump Drive you had to do it at an A starport, thereby working
> within the rules until there was time to expand them.
>
>> The problem with only having one shipbuilding facility in the RC is that
>> if a vampire hit Aubaine like one did to Nike Nimbus the RC is sunk. In
>> addition it would speed up construction and save the construction docks
>> for much needed military craft.
>> My thought was that Say Trybec could build a J-Hawk style ship but near
>> completion a Multi-mission scout with a J-drive and a couple of
>> technicians on board would fly out and with the assistance of Trybec
>> workers install the J-drive. Over time the technicians could step back
>> into an advisory role as the workers took over more of the installation
>> work. The starport would then be, I guess a B+ or A- facility. Being
>> TL-10, Trybec I assume would have most of the where-to-all to build the
>> components of a jump drive, coils and governors might have to be tooled
>> up and final construction of the drive would have to be build, but once
>> this was done and the personal trained up the starport would get its
>> class-A rating.
>> For an idea, check out BARD and an SDB called ATEF, this is my idea on a
>> multi-tech on a single ship. Modules holding higher tech systems like
>> sensors and the computer to run them is a great idea, it would allow
>> ship
>> to up-graded when funds or need wanted. The only connections that would
>> be needed would be to the bridge, electronics workstation and a power
>> connection.
>> My thoughts on the jump computer limiting the distance of the jump is
>> mixed here. On one side FF&S only states that a third computer is needed
>> for a jump capable ship. Here I assume "again" that the jump governor or
>> a small computer integral to the drive itself is sufficient for the
>> required distance of the jump. I can see where limiting the jump
>> distance because of the jump computer TL. I guess this will be one of
>> those IMTU rules.
>> Roger
>>
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>
The sad thing is that Traveller undermined a lot of this with random
UPP/UWP generation. You could have an A starport (shipyard) on a world
with an insignificant population, or a Hi-Pop, Hi-Tech world with a B
Starport. Really? No one there wants a starship? A lot of logic goes right
out the window with randomization at that level. Or, rather, you have to
recalibrate your logic to try to figure out internal structure to all of
the characteristics which APPEAR random, but which we know are absolutely
real in the universe...somehow.
And then there's the whole issue that 90% of the time a PC crew just wants
to dump the cargo, pick up a new one, and head out without interruption
and don't care about any of the rest of it. The game wanted to function on
a lot of different levels, and those different levels made a lot of unkind
demands on each other.
> and consider that an A class star port is not necessarily the physical
> structure on the planet, or in orbit but a whole range of support
> facilities for building and testing the materials etc. Â I worked at a
> 500kw broadcast radio system - VLF range the coils on that thing ... well
> the difference from a hotwheels toy car and the real thing. Â So it makes
> sense that the A class port would have capabilities that lower class ports
> don't. Â Some tests may require a whole solar system to be able to do them
> properly ... even assembly line built ships, components etc can have
> failures ,,, sometimes spectacular ones ... how much more for something
> that is half custom built like a j drive?
>
> On Saturday, February 21, 2015 1:59 PM, "
> [Traveller_TNE]" <> wrote:
>
>
> Â Roger--
>
> I agree with your premise about bringing the drive to the hull, but that's
> not the way I went, because it would violate the spirit of starport
> classifications, and it was not our place to undermine too many settled
> Traveller conventions (pick your favorite convention that we DID
> violate--focal arrays vs. Space Battleship Yamato style WW2 turrets is my
> favorite distinction without a difference). The RC and the Covenant of
> Suffren raised this issue all the time, but I didn't want to get into,
> "it's a type A starport except when it's not, it's a type B starport
> except when it's a type A." Logically the difference between Type A and B
> is not like the difference between Lead and Gold, but more like the
> difference between Uranium 238 and Thorium 234. For all I know, the sacred
> UWP difference between A and B is like the number of stars in a Michelin
> guide: some numbskull at TAS decides "it's a B" and it is because he says
> so. That's another piece of the expanded rules I've talked about, "how do
> you develop a B Starport into an A Starport," and I wasn't going to trash
> the distinction, but put out rules to visualize what the distinction
> actually was and how you could manipulate and evolve it. Whether we
> touched on any of that in World Tamer's I don't recall, but think we
> didn't go that far.
>
> So bottom line is that I was deliberately saying that if you were going to
> install a Jump Drive you had to do it at an A starport, thereby working
> within the rules until there was time to expand them.
>
>> The problem with only having one shipbuilding facility in the RC is that
>> if a vampire hit Aubaine like one did to Nike Nimbus the RC is sunk. In
>> addition it would speed up construction and save the construction docks
>> for much needed military craft.
>> My thought was that Say Trybec could build a J-Hawk style ship but near
>> completion a Multi-mission scout with a J-drive and a couple of
>> technicians on board would fly out and with the assistance of Trybec
>> workers install the J-drive. Over time the technicians could step back
>> into an advisory role as the workers took over more of the installation
>> work. The starport would then be, I guess a B+ or A- facility. Being
>> TL-10, Trybec I assume would have most of the where-to-all to build the
>> components of a jump drive, coils and governors might have to be tooled
>> up and final construction of the drive would have to be build, but once
>> this was done and the personal trained up the starport would get its
>> class-A rating.
>> For an idea, check out BARD and an SDB called ATEF, this is my idea on a
>> multi-tech on a single ship. Modules holding higher tech systems like
>> sensors and the computer to run them is a great idea, it would allow
>> ship
>> to up-graded when funds or need wanted. The only connections that would
>> be needed would be to the bridge, electronics workstation and a power
>> connection.
>> My thoughts on the jump computer limiting the distance of the jump is
>> mixed here. On one side FF&S only states that a third computer is needed
>> for a jump capable ship. Here I assume "again" that the jump governor or
>> a small computer integral to the drive itself is sufficient for the
>> required distance of the jump. I can see where limiting the jump
>> distance because of the jump computer TL. I guess this will be one of
>> those IMTU rules.
>> Roger
>>
>
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