Thread: Re: FW fm moderator: [Traveller_TNE] FFE and the Avenger 1248 materi

So 1248 was not licensed from FFE, but sub-licensed through Mongoose?

> wrote in response:
> Subject: [Traveller_TNE] FFE and the Avenger 1248 materials
> I know got them all. Love the stuff. Sorry for the following but I am
> really upset that Marc partnered with Mongoose, they have a very bad track
> record add to the fact that they cut off Avenger when it was looking
> promising.
>  
> donm61873 <> wrote:
> Subject: [Traveller_TNE] FFE and the Avenger 1248 materials
> Marc and Martin made an agreement that keeps the 1248 material still
> available.
>  
> Marc sells two TNE CDs, and the second one... just look at the contents.
>  
> http://www.farfuture.net/Contents%20CDROM%20TNE-2.pdf
>  
> So you can buy the ENTIRE 1248 line for one price.
>

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 5:31 PM, <> wrote:

> So 1248 was not licensed from FFE, but sub-licensed through Mongoose?

Yes, No, Kinda.....

Avenger was Martin's company that was doing Ct-ish/TNE-ish sorts of books
and was publishing under his own imprint with a License from FFE.

Then Mongoose cam along and Licensed Traveller and as part of
those negotiations all of the 3rd party where sunset-ed including Avenger.
(Side-note; as it it was explained to me this was to unify the line for
re-realeasing Traveller under the OGL. Then said licensees' would be free
to publish under the terms of the Traveller OGL.)

Lastly Avenger in partnered with Mongoose released the 1248, as well as
through FFE.

At least that was how Martin explained it, but the subject hasn't come up
in a long time so this is what I remember.
--
Evyn

I guess I don't get that, but I don't have to.

> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 5:31 PM, <> wrote:
>
>> So 1248 was not licensed from FFE, but sub-licensed through Mongoose?
>
>
> Yes, No, Kinda.....
>
> Avenger was Martin's company that was doing Ct-ish/TNE-ish sorts of books
> and was publishing under his own imprint with a License from FFE.
>
> Then Mongoose cam along and Licensed Traveller and as part of
> those negotiations all of the 3rd party where sunset-ed including Avenger.
> (Side-note; as it it was explained to me this was to unify the line for
> re-realeasing Traveller under the OGL. Then said licensees' would be free
> to publish under the terms of the Traveller OGL.)
>
> Lastly Avenger in partnered with Mongoose released the 1248, as well as
> through FFE.
>
> At least that was how Martin explained it, but the subject hasn't come up
> in a long time so this is what I remember.
> --
> Evyn
>

When Mongoose published Traveller, that meant that everyone else's licenses sunsetted (i.e. couldn't be renewed after they expired).

Whether that idea came from Mongoose or Marc, I don't know - I think the idea was to "unify" Traveller under the Mongoose Traveller/OGL,m but then Marc went and totally undermined that by working on T5, which is rather different to MGT.

Avenger were, IIRC, using Mongoose's Flaming Cobra imprint as a way to get their CT and 1248 products printed and distributed to gamestores.

As it stands, the only people who can now publish OTU material are Mongoose, SJG (though they haven't done anything new for years - I think they're just using their license to be able to continue to sell GT books), and FFE.

--- In , Tim O'Reilly <ret7army@...> wrote:
>
> chaspopp34@... wrote in response:
> Subject: [Traveller_TNE] FFE and the Avenger 1248 materials
> I know got them all. Love the stuff. Sorry for the following but I am really upset that Marc partnered with Mongoose, they have a very bad track record add to the fact that they cut off Avenger when it was looking promising.
>  
> donm61873 <don.mckinney@...> wrote:
> Subject: [Traveller_TNE] FFE and the Avenger 1248 materials
> Marc and Martin made an agreement that keeps the 1248 material still available.
>  
> Marc sells two TNE CDs, and the second one... just look at the contents.
>  
> http://www.farfuture.net/Contents%20CDROM%20TNE-2.pdf
>  
> So you can buy the ENTIRE 1248 line for one price.
>

Huh.

I'd like to say something intelligent, but nothing comes to mind.

What's Martin doing these days?

> When Mongoose published Traveller, that meant that everyone else's
> licenses sunsetted (i.e. couldn't be renewed after they expired).
>
> Whether that idea came from Mongoose or Marc, I don't know - I think the
> idea was to "unify" Traveller under the Mongoose Traveller/OGL,m but then
> Marc went and totally undermined that by working on T5, which is rather
> different to MGT.
>
> Avenger were, IIRC, using Mongoose's Flaming Cobra imprint as a way to get
> their CT and 1248 products printed and distributed to gamestores.
>
> As it stands, the only people who can now publish OTU material are
> Mongoose, SJG (though they haven't done anything new for years - I think
> they're just using their license to be able to continue to sell GT books),
> and FFE.
>
>
>
>
> --- In , Tim O'Reilly <ret7army@...> wrote:
>>
>> chaspopp34@... wrote in response:
>> Subject: [Traveller_TNE] FFE and the Avenger 1248 materials
>> I know got them all. Love the stuff. Sorry for the following but I am
>> really upset that Marc partnered with Mongoose, they have a very bad
>> track record add to the fact that they cut off Avenger when it was
>> looking promising.
>>  
>> donm61873 <don.mckinney@...> wrote:
>> Subject: [Traveller_TNE] FFE and the Avenger 1248 materials
>> Marc and Martin made an agreement that keeps the 1248 material still
>> available.
>>  
>> Marc sells two TNE CDs, and the second one... just look at the contents.
>>  
>> http://www.farfuture.net/Contents%20CDROM%20TNE-2.pdf
>>  
>> So you can buy the ENTIRE 1248 line for one price.
>>
>
>
>

What happened to Martin? He had some good stuff but didn't seem
to take criticismto well and maybe too thin skinned for the
vicious Traveller crowd



---
from my T989

Evyn MacDude wrote:





On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 5:31 PM, <
<> > wrote:
So 1248 was not licensed from FFE, but sub-licensed through
Mongoose?
Yes, No, Kinda.....
Avenger was Martin's company that was doing Ct-ish/TNE-ish sorts
of books and was publishing under his own imprint with a License
from FFE.
Then Mongoose cam along and Licensed Traveller and as part of
those negotiations all of the 3rd party where sunset-ed including
Avenger. (Side-note; as it it was explained to me this was to
unify the line for re-realeasing Traveller under the OGL. Then
said licensees' would be free to publish under the terms of the
Traveller OGL.)
Lastly Avenger in partnered with Mongoose released the 1248, as
well as through FFE.
At least that was how Martin explained it, but the subject hasn't
come up in a long time so this is what I remember. --
Evyn

Martin did a couple of books for mongoose - marches and reft sector books + central supply catalogue. He is also one of the writers for terra sol games and is still going traveller stuff via comstar - its the far avalon alternative traveller universe.

Cheers
richard
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What happened to Martin? He had some good stuff but didn't seem to take criticismto well and maybe too thin skinned for the vicious Traveller crowd

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from my T989

Evyn MacDude wrote:

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 5:31 PM, <> wrote:

So 1248 was not licensed from FFE, but sub-licensed through Mongoose?

Yes, No, Kinda.....

Avenger was Martin's company that was doing Ct-ish/TNE-ish sorts of books and was publishing under his own imprint with a License from FFE.

Then Mongoose cam along and Licensed Traveller and as part of those negotiations all of the 3rd party where sunset-ed including Avenger. (Side-note; as it it was explained to me this was to unify the line for re-realeasing Traveller under the OGL. Then said licensees' would be free to publish under the terms of the Traveller OGL.)

Lastly Avenger in partnered with Mongoose released the 1248, as well as through FFE.

At least that was how Martin explained it, but the subject hasn't come up in a long time so this is what I remember.
--
Evyn

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 6:12 PM,
<>wrote:

>
>
> What happened to Martin? He had some good stuff but didn't seem to take
> criticismto well and maybe too thin skinned for the vicious Traveller crowd
>

What Perks said..... 8-)

Plus Last I heard he and his crowd where working on their own game.

--
Evyn