Thread: WAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY off topic....

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(Go Duke!)

As a University of Kentucky grad, you can guess how far that flies around my house.  lol
It's a shame that Wisconsin didn't show up to play Duke tonight.  That was not the same team out there that beat UK.

That's my Devils! Thanks for the cheers Dave.
I did not know you were a UK grad. I really admired their kids and what
Calipari did with them this year. I was glad that we did not have to play
them this year, for two reasons. First, I didn't want to root against them
because I was so impressed with them, and Second, I already live in fear
for my life in the Commonwealth because of 1992, pouring gasoline on that
would probably require me to move or be lynched.

Some people are saying that Wisky left too much on the floor beating UK
and they didn't save enough for the final. I was surprised Duke got this
far, they just peaked at the right moments, and then they'll be gone. I
hope the NBA is grateful for the minor leagues they don't have to pay for.

> As a University of Kentucky grad, you can guess how far that flies around
> my house.  lol
> It's a shame that Wisconsin didn't show up to play Duke tonight.  That
> was not the same team out there that beat UK.
>
>

You're welcome. They hired K at the end of my Freshman year when Foster
left. They had been selling "A Dynasty is Fostered" t-shirts, and some
guys on my floor thought we should make a shirt saying, "A Dynasty is
Krzyzewskied." Too bad we didn't, we'd look pretty smart now.

I didn't know from basketball when I started there, but in the ACC,
especially in NC, you're not allowed to "not know from basketball." I was
in Cameron for every home game because that's what ACC students did.

> That's my Devils! Thanks for the cheers Dave.

Heh...I have a wife who is a huge Michigan fan and grew up and now lives with me in Ohio.  Not sure how that happens, but dealing with Buckeye fans can get annoying for her.  As for me, as a "Route 23" kid, I grew up rooting for Ohio St. football and Kentucky basketball. 

It was entertaining 2012 talking to Buckeye basketball fans and consoling them on their pending loss to UK in the tournament.  The looks I got said, "I thought you were one of us...".   Not today. They were sorta sad....

Wisconsin didn't shoot for crap in that Duke game.  But some of the calls by the refs in favor of Duke down the stretch were cringe worthy.  I'm thinking of donating my eye glasses to the NCAA refs organization in hopes that the blind guys calling the game will be able to clear their vision in the future.  If I were a Badger fan, I'd be pissed.  As a Duke fan though, you would be correct in saying, "yeah but it shouldn't have ever come down to a few bad calls and when you hit your shots, because then the calls don't matter."

Sports tribalism is...tough. The old Greek wisdom that sports is moral
because it teaches sportsmanship is only half the story. The other half is
that it must be the opposite of moral because it teaches the opposite of
sportsmanship. When I moved here in 1995 I had a Duke sticker in the back
window of my car and it suffered all kinds of "mystery" damage in parking
lots. But I remember as a 20-year-old placing a Redskins bumper sticker
over the top of some poor guy's Cowboys bumper sticker. It made perfect
sense to me as a stupid 20-year-old. Tribalism is by definition a
two-edged sword because tribes' words for themselves always translate as
"human" and xenos aren't. BBN has the greatest sense of Manifest Destiny
in all of sports, and I don't say that as a dig, I say that because that's
what they'll tell you themselves. And thank God the word "Cameron Crazie"
didn't exist back then, that allows me to point out that I have never been
one.

I am the farthest thing from a basketball expert, I just spent a number of
years as a Duke student and employee and like the idea that they still owe
me some entertainment value once a year. But I think that maybe Duke's
defense really came of age (an important concept with kids who are only
there for nine months) in the tournament and that had some contribution to
the low shot percentage, i.e., the part that wasn't simply the
responsibility of the guys who themselves made the failed shots. Duke has
set some pretty low expectations lately, so they came in under everyone's
radar, and if they all of a sudden got better when everyone was distracted
by the rest of the Madness, that's pretty good OPSEC. I wasn't going to
say anything about the ref-ing, and you said it anyway, but I will add
that if the entire referee fraternity really is in Duke's pocket they'd
should have done better than 5 in 35 years and K needs to send Guido out
to break some knees. I've many times felt that I didn't like smash-mouth
play or one-and-dones, but one of the things that is interesting about
watching the only Duke Coach since my sophomore year is that he has
decided, "it doesn't matter what I prefer, but what I have to be prepared
to deal with if I want to win, which is what they pay me for."

Given the fact that 98.5% of tournament teams end as "failures," it's not
really about winning. A lot of it is just about remembering when you were
20 and surrounded by a bunch of other 20-year-olds, and this many years
later that time seems a lot better than you probably thought back then. If
religion is "the opiate of the masses," then nostalgia is crack cocaine.

Calipari had some great kids this year and did a great job melding them
into something that should be admired by anyone. I sent him an e-mail
Saturday night saying how much I admired them this year and the principles
they represented and wish them all possible success.

ISIS, Iran nonproliferation negotiations, Ukraine, that's all bushleague
stuff. If UK and Duke grads can get along, that's some powerful magick.
Now if we can just solve the Shatner-Takei rift.

> Heh...I have a wife who is a huge Michigan fan and grew up and now lives
> with me in Ohio.  Not sure how that happens, but dealing with Buckeye
> fans can get annoying for her.  As for me, as a "Route 23" kid, I grew up
> rooting for Ohio St. football and Kentucky basketball. 
>
> It was entertaining 2012 talking to Buckeye basketball fans and consoling
> them on their pending loss to UK in the tournament.  The looks I got
> said, "I thought you were one of us...".   Not today. They were sorta
> sad....
>
> Wisconsin didn't shoot for crap in that Duke game.  But some of the calls
> by the refs in favor of Duke down the stretch were cringe worthy.  I'm
> thinking of donating my eye glasses to the NCAA refs organization in hopes
> that the blind guys calling the game will be able to clear their vision in
> the future.  If I were a Badger fan, I'd be pissed.  As a Duke fan
> though, you would be correct in saying, "yeah but it shouldn't have ever
> come down to a few bad calls and when you hit your shots, because then the
> calls don't matter."
>
>

Buckeye fans annoy everybody!
*looks innocent*
What?!?


On Tuesday, April 7, 2015 1:48 PM, "Harold Hale [Traveller_TNE]" <> wrote:


  Heh...I have a wife who is a huge Michigan fan and grew up and now lives with me in Ohio.  Not sure how that happens, but dealing with Buckeye fans can get annoying for her.  As for me, as a "Route 23" kid, I grew up rooting for Ohio St. football and Kentucky basketball. 

It was entertaining 2012 talking to Buckeye basketball fans and consoling them on their pending loss to UK in the tournament.  The looks I got said, "I thought you were one of us...".   Not today. They were sorta sad....

Wisconsin didn't shoot for crap in that Duke game.  But some of the calls by the refs in favor of Duke down the stretch were cringe worthy.  I'm thinking of donating my eye glasses to the NCAA refs organization in hopes that the blind guys calling the game will be able to clear their vision in the future.  If I were a Badger fan, I'd be pissed.  As a Duke fan though, you would be correct in saying, "yeah but it shouldn't have ever come down to a few bad calls and when you hit your shots, because then the calls don't matter."

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I'd say go "Fighting Sioux" except 1) it's even more off topic, 2)
irrelevant, & 3) become so seriously politically incorrect

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Christopher Snyder
[Traveller_TNE] <
> wrote:

>
>
> Buckeye fans annoy everybody!
>
> *looks innocent*
>
> What?!?
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 7, 2015 1:48 PM, "Harold Hale
> [Traveller_TNE]" <> wrote:
>
>
>
> Heh...I have a wife who is a huge Michigan fan and grew up and now lives
> with me in Ohio. Not sure how that happens, but dealing with Buckeye fans
> can get annoying for her. As for me, as a "Route 23" kid, I grew up
> rooting for Ohio St. football and Kentucky basketball.
>
> It was entertaining 2012 talking to Buckeye basketball fans and consoling
> them on their pending loss to UK in the tournament. The looks I got said,
> "I thought you were one of us...". Not today. They were sorta sad....
>
> Wisconsin didn't shoot for crap in that Duke game. But some of the calls
> by the refs in favor of Duke down the stretch were cringe worthy. I'm
> thinking of donating my eye glasses to the NCAA refs organization in hopes
> that the blind guys calling the game will be able to clear their vision in
> the future. If I were a Badger fan, I'd be pissed. As a Duke fan though,
> you would be correct in saying, "yeah but it shouldn't have ever come down
> to a few bad calls and when you hit your shots, because then the calls
> don't matter."
>
>
>
>
>
Since you've played the "OT" card, let's try this. NCAA Tribalism is much
closer to MT faction tribalism than any of us want to admit, and Traveller
fans have been "going there" for 30 years now.

Has anyone done much in their Traveller campaigns with sports? I tried two
things:

1) There was a game called "Grav Ball" that came out in the '80s, maybe by
FASA, kind of a cross between Ender's Game and Rollerball, and I bought it
with the intent that it could be the "big professional sport IN SPACE,"
that we could play as a game-within-a-game in my campaign. But nothing
much ever came of it.

2) I did drop a few seeds in RSB about university rivalries in the Regency
just for kicks, to give people a little bit of color to play with. That
was probably inspired by some college experiences in the ACC with UVA
fans, Clemson fans, etc., which were probably re-awakened in my mind by
the 1991-92 Duke teams. When I was at Duke we stunk, and had no illusions
of national championships, so local ACC rivalries loomed large (and
really, conference rivalries are the only real rivalries; you can't have a
"rivalry" with someone you play every 15 years by chance), UNC, UVA, etc.,
and then all of a sudden in '92 by virtue of winning we got to be the
people everyone hated. Go winners! Straight to hell!

> I'd say go "Fighting Sioux" except 1) it's even more off topic, 2)
> irrelevant, & 3) become so seriously politically incorrect
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Christopher Snyder
> [Traveller_TNE] <
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Buckeye fans annoy everybody!
>>
>> *looks innocent*
>>
>> What?!?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 7, 2015 1:48 PM, "Harold Hale
>> [Traveller_TNE]" <> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Heh...I have a wife who is a huge Michigan fan and grew up and now
>> lives
>> with me in Ohio. Not sure how that happens, but dealing with Buckeye
>> fans
>> can get annoying for her. As for me, as a "Route 23" kid, I grew up
>> rooting for Ohio St. football and Kentucky basketball.
>>
>> It was entertaining 2012 talking to Buckeye basketball fans and
>> consoling
>> them on their pending loss to UK in the tournament. The looks I got
>> said,
>> "I thought you were one of us...". Not today. They were sorta sad....
>>
>> Wisconsin didn't shoot for crap in that Duke game. But some of the
>> calls
>> by the refs in favor of Duke down the stretch were cringe worthy. I'm
>> thinking of donating my eye glasses to the NCAA refs organization in
>> hopes
>> that the blind guys calling the game will be able to clear their vision
>> in
>> the future. If I were a Badger fan, I'd be pissed. As a Duke fan
>> though,
>> you would be correct in saying, "yeah but it shouldn't have ever come
>> down
>> to a few bad calls and when you hit your shots, because then the calls
>> don't matter."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

I've never gone there really, but the other day my 16yo son said he wanted
to make a nation on the moon, start up a football league and invite teams
from earth to come and play ... hmmm
He also, w/o being told about it, figured out that electricity can be
generated by magnetic fields cutting across wires or vice versa ... was
rather disappointed when I told him that was the way we did it ...
Bright kid, who knows he might pull it off

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 1:44 PM, [Traveller_TNE] <
> wrote:

>
>
> Since you've played the "OT" card, let's try this. NCAA Tribalism is much
> closer to MT faction tribalism than any of us want to admit, and Traveller
> fans have been "going there" for 30 years now.
>
> Has anyone done much in their Traveller campaigns with sports? I tried two
> things:
>
> 1) There was a game called "Grav Ball" that came out in the '80s, maybe by
> FASA, kind of a cross between Ender's Game and Rollerball, and I bought it
> with the intent that it could be the "big professional sport IN SPACE,"
> that we could play as a game-within-a-game in my campaign. But nothing
> much ever came of it.
>
> 2) I did drop a few seeds in RSB about university rivalries in the Regency
> just for kicks, to give people a little bit of color to play with. That
> was probably inspired by some college experiences in the ACC with UVA
> fans, Clemson fans, etc., which were probably re-awakened in my mind by
> the 1991-92 Duke teams. When I was at Duke we stunk, and had no illusions
> of national championships, so local ACC rivalries loomed large (and
> really, conference rivalries are the only real rivalries; you can't have a
> "rivalry" with someone you play every 15 years by chance), UNC, UVA, etc.,
> and then all of a sudden in '92 by virtue of winning we got to be the
> people everyone hated. Go winners! Straight to hell!
>
>
> > I'd say go "Fighting Sioux" except 1) it's even more off topic, 2)
> > irrelevant, & 3) become so seriously politically incorrect
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Christopher Snyder
> > [Traveller_TNE] <
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Buckeye fans annoy everybody!
> >>
> >> *looks innocent*
> >>
> >> What?!?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, April 7, 2015 1:48 PM, "Harold Hale
> >> [Traveller_TNE]" <> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Heh...I have a wife who is a huge Michigan fan and grew up and now
> >> lives
> >> with me in Ohio. Not sure how that happens, but dealing with Buckeye
> >> fans
> >> can get annoying for her. As for me, as a "Route 23" kid, I grew up
> >> rooting for Ohio St. football and Kentucky basketball.
> >>
> >> It was entertaining 2012 talking to Buckeye basketball fans and
> >> consoling
> >> them on their pending loss to UK in the tournament. The looks I got
> >> said,
> >> "I thought you were one of us...". Not today. They were sorta sad....
> >>
> >> Wisconsin didn't shoot for crap in that Duke game. But some of the
> >> calls
> >> by the refs in favor of Duke down the stretch were cringe worthy. I'm
> >> thinking of donating my eye glasses to the NCAA refs organization in
> >> hopes
> >> that the blind guys calling the game will be able to clear their vision
> >> in
> >> the future. If I were a Badger fan, I'd be pissed. As a Duke fan
> >> though,
> >> you would be correct in saying, "yeah but it shouldn't have ever come
> >> down
> >> to a few bad calls and when you hit your shots, because then the calls
> >> don't matter."
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>

---In , <ret7army@...> wrote :

I've never gone there really, but the other day my 16yo son said he wanted to make a nation on the moon, start up a football league and invite teams from earth to come and play ... hmmm
---

Hmmm, indeed. Soccer or Rugby?



He does American, I think he might go with Rugby, not sure about soccer ...
not that fast a fellow but large and tough for his age

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 8:50 PM, [Traveller_TNE] <
> wrote:

>
>
>
> ---In , <ret7army@...> wrote :
>
> I've never gone there really, but the other day my 16yo son said he wanted
> to make a nation on the moon, start up a football league and invite teams
> from earth to come and play ... hmmm
> ---
>
> Hmmm, indeed. Soccer or Rugby?
>
>
>
of course in this instance he is the "ruler of the moon" so yeah mebbe all
three

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 9:37 PM, ret7army . <> wrote:

> He does American, I think he might go with Rugby, not sure about soccer
> ... not that fast a fellow but large and tough for his age
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 8:50 PM, [Traveller_TNE] <
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---In , <ret7army@...> wrote :
>>
>> I've never gone there really, but the other day my 16yo son said he
>> wanted to make a nation on the moon, start up a football league and invite
>> teams from earth to come and play ... hmmm
>> ---
>>
>> Hmmm, indeed. Soccer or Rugby?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
I realised American. That's why I snarked. ;)

Obviously the joke is that most of the world plays soccer, and American football is only played in the US. An American football competition started on the Moon could only draw its teams from the US, because the rest of the world doesn't care.

Except maybe for that bit about random folks colonising the Moon, but that's not about football, and thus irrelevant.

Globally, Rugby is the second most widespread game, and influenced the American and Canadian games, as well as the two main football codes played in Australia (where I'm from). So it would be a compromise, although not a good one.

I'm afraid that Soccer will be the Interplanetary, and then Interstellar Game.

Until it fuses with Ithklur Football.


---In , <ret7army@...> wrote :

He does American, I think he might go with Rugby, not sure about soccer ... not that fast a fellow but large and tough for his age


Ming disdains all inferior "footballs"!


---In , <ret7army@...> wrote :

of course in this instance he is the "ruler of the moon" so yeah mebbe all three


Of course, when Venus is colonised, the Treens will play soccer. That's why it's Dan Dare they hate, not Flash Gordon.
Except Flash Gordon was a polo player...

Back to Traveller:

Lucan was a keen polo player. That's why the Scout Service in his Imperium adopted the Polo Poni as their symbol.

The K'kree favoured a game more like the one played by the Mongols, and the Ithklur invented Polo Hooliganism.

I'll shut up now.
Every five years ago the NFL announces, "The NFL is going to be huge in
Europe, we really mean it this time," but then, concussions, or wife
beaters, or drug tests, and they have to go put out fires.

> I realised American. That's why I snarked. ;)
>
> Obviously the joke is that most of the world plays soccer, and American
> football is only played in the US. An American football competition
> started on the Moon could only draw its teams from the US, because the
> rest of the world doesn't care.
>
> Except maybe for that bit about random folks colonising the Moon, but
> that's not about football, and thus irrelevant.
>
> Globally, Rugby is the second most widespread game, and influenced the
> American and Canadian games, as well as the two main football codes played
> in Australia (where I'm from). So it would be a compromise, although not a
> good one.
>
> I'm afraid that Soccer will be the Interplanetary, and then Interstellar
> Game.
>
> Until it fuses with Ithklur Football.
>
>
> ---In , <ret7army@...> wrote :
>
> He does American, I think he might go with Rugby, not sure about soccer
> ... not that fast a fellow but large and tough for his age
>
>
>

In hard vacuum it doesn't require a lot of PSI to inflate a football.

> of course in this instance he is the "ruler of the moon" so yeah mebbe all
> three
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 9:37 PM, ret7army . <> wrote:
>
>> He does American, I think he might go with Rugby, not sure about soccer
>> ... not that fast a fellow but large and tough for his age
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 8:50 PM, [Traveller_TNE] <
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---In , <ret7army@...> wrote :
>>>
>>> I've never gone there really, but the other day my 16yo son said he
>>> wanted to make a nation on the moon, start up a football league and
>>> invite
>>> teams from earth to come and play ... hmmm
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Hmmm, indeed. Soccer or Rugby?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

No, keep it up. I like polo hooliganism. But I just had a vision of an
Ithklur spurring his polo pony and I don't want to pursue the thought.
"Ithklur polo team accidentally kills all of their ponies at start of
match." That's probably when they decided, "Oh heck, let's just fight." Or
else one of them was outraged and tried to save the ponies while others
were convinced that the ponies were disguised K'kree.

> Except Flash Gordon was a polo player...
>
> Back to Traveller:
>
> Lucan was a keen polo player. That's why the Scout Service in his Imperium
> adopted the Polo Poni as their symbol.
>
> The K'kree favoured a game more like the one played by the Mongols, and
> the Ithklur invented Polo Hooliganism.
>
> I'll shut up now.

didn't realize Ruby was so popular ... he's the type that would go for it
... he got started throwing shot put & discus in Track & Field - had a good
coach for a year, but then that fellow moved and hasn't been so good
since. After that tried American football, Basketball, & Wrestling that
was in middle school when the schedule allowed them to do it all

Got injured in wrestling last year and had to sit out on football but
healed up enough for wrestling and made into went to regions (3rd) and
state (didn't place). Wrestling practices average 2-3 hours and are
intense, their coach says every other sport will pale by comparison. So it
seems. He tries in Track & Field, but its not the same for him anymore ...
Football will possibly go the same route - & only mean something for the
moment because of the camaraderie ...

Rugby though, hmmm that's different and intense enough hmmmm

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 9:57 PM, [Traveller_TNE] <
> wrote:

>
>
> I realised American. That's why I snarked. ;)
>
> Obviously the joke is that most of the world plays soccer, and American
> football is only played in the US. An American football competition started
> on the Moon could only draw its teams from the US, because the rest of the
> world doesn't care.
>
> Except maybe for that bit about random folks colonising the Moon, but
> that's not about football, and thus irrelevant.
>
> Globally, Rugby is the second most widespread game, and influenced the
> American and Canadian games, as well as the two main football codes played
> in Australia (where I'm from). So it would be a compromise, although not a
> good one.
>
> I'm afraid that Soccer will be the Interplanetary, and then Interstellar
> Game.
>
> Until it fuses with Ithklur Football.
>
>
> ---In , <ret7army@...> wrote :
>
> He does American, I think he might go with Rugby, not sure about soccer
> ... not that fast a fellow but large and tough for his age
>
>
>
LOL

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 10:13 PM, [Traveller_TNE] <
> wrote:

>
>
> Ming disdains all inferior "footballs"!
>
>
> ---In , <ret7army@...> wrote :
>
> of course in this instance he is the "ruler of the moon" so yeah mebbe all
> three
>
>
>
As I've mentioned, I've spent most of my recent years playing superhero games.

One of the main things I've learned is that there are very few people who can think like a true supervillain.

Everyone has such puny minds. No vision. They deserve to be ruled.
While the Traveller ethic looks down on supervillains (Traveller is too
world-weary and above it all) players love them. So while I felt a little
silly whenever I introduced comic book tropes, like their enemy's body not
being found in the wreckage, the players loved it when their nemesis
reappeared later seeking revenge. So for those who wanted to use that kind
of thematic element I reworked my guy and put him into Star Vikings as the
Guild mastermind. Brad McDevitt did his illo based on Michael Corleone in
Godfather II.

> As I've mentioned, I've spent most of my recent years playing superhero
games.
>
> One of the main things I've learned is that there are very few people
who
> can think like a true supervillain.
>
> Everyone has such puny minds. No vision. They deserve to be ruled.