Hogwash and BS to your self recriminations, which are aging BTW, and need
some maintenance and better humor to stay sufficient to the task. (humorous
sarcasm here)
None here see you as public 'enema' number one, We all hold your input as
rewarding in it's own right. Few have had the privilege of holding the
honored (hot)seat that you have had. (though it seems less honored in the
retelling it seems)
Now back on topic!
It is simply a matter of perspective; for me, math has always been a
challenge, where as, putting things 'in the ballpark' through intelligent
guesstimating is second nature. thus my comment about handwavium.
On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 7:42 PM, [Traveller_TNE] <
> wrote:
>
>
> That's funny, I always thought that the translation of CT skills to BL was
> very straightforward. Either I'm misremembering 20 years ago or I'm just
> bats$%t crazy again. When I ran CT starship combat as a ref it was always
> very character and skill centric, and BL felt like exactly the same deal
> to me. But you know how that goes, I'm the antichrist, a liar, and a
> beastiality-liking-type-guy.
>
>
> > I have always more or less ignored the hate there at COTI. I 'think' I am
> > sane and simply use the shiny bits that attract my attention and play on.
> > It is monumentally diffcult however to create a combat system for
> > spaceships using CT standards that work well for ships built under TNE
> > rules. and there is no easy way to convert CT skillsets to play ship
> > combat
> > under TNE/Brilliant Lances. Much Handwavium is necessary to fluff it
> > through.
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 5:56 PM, [Traveller_TNE] <
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Another way of saying that is:
> >>
> >> "We're all crazy. Let he who is without sin in his glass house cast the
> >> first stone."
> >>
> >> NFL vs. Traveller, I don't think math makes ratios that small.
> >>
> >>
> >> > Chuck, Rupert, et al.--
> >> >
> >> > Having given this a fair amount of thought over the years (being the
> >> > target of some of this "enthusiasm"), my thoughts have included this:
> >> >
> >> > The population of people who get real value, pleasure, and excitement
> >> out
> >> > of RPGs (i.e., sitting around for large portions of their lives
> >> thinking
> >> > about imaginary worlds and what happens there), is only a limited
> >> portion
> >> > of the whole population, and I think we would all accept, a minority.
> >> >
> >> > As all characteristics in life are two-edged, this capacity for
> >> sustained
> >> > fantasy comes with an unnatural aversion to things that oppose our
> >> current
> >> > "what I want to imagine," as compared to our current "things I want to
> >> > imagine."
> >> >
> >> > We all know that the things "I want to imagine" change over our lives,
> >> but
> >> > the issue is the INTENSITY of that desire/aversion, as that is
> >> necessary
> >> > for a person to want to play an RPG to begin with. As opposed to
> >> waiting
> >> > 364 days for the next Super Bowl. From what I hear, they still play
> >> that.
> >> >
> >> > As I said, I've given this a lot of thought over the years, and this
> >> is
> >> > one of my thoughts, not all of them. But today, I think it is the most
> >> > salient one. YMMV
> >> >
> >> > God bless us, every one.
> >> >
> >> >> On 5 Feb 2016 at 8:56, [Traveller_TNE]
> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> What I have absolutely never understood about our "hobby" is the
> >> level
> >> > of fanaticism that seems to appear. I've got all of the editions of
> >> > Traveller and I mix and match the pieces that work for me and ignore
> >> > the ones that don't. I'd like to think this is a balanced perspective
> >> > on a "game" that is meant to be an enjoyable experience for the
> >> > participants.
> >> >>> I've been around long enough to have seen the flamewars over any
> >> number
> >> > of different topics, and it's just utterly juvenile behavior to me. I
> >> > realize that there are those individuals who have adopted a particular
> >> > version of Traveller as a "religion" and in typical fashion are
> >> > intolerant of those who don't share their "beliefs." That sort of
> >> > behavior is just not acceptable for children, let alone adults. In
> >> > short, if a game has become your reality then you have a problem
> >> > bordering on outright addiction and you need to get a life and learn
> >> to
> >> > respect the opinions and perspectives of others without spiraling down
> >> > into some petty, childish rant about a non-real situation. Intolerance
> >> > and hate are for small-minded people. I'd like to hope that we can all
> >> > be better than that.
> >> >>> But...
> >> >>> Your Mileage May Vary...
> >> >>
> >> >> It's common behaviour for people when it comes to hobbies. There is
> >> only
> >> > one correct
> >> >> scale for a model railway, and so on.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > "Christmas is a time when kids tell Santa what they want and adults pay
> > for
> > it. Deficits are when adults tell the government what they want and their
> > kids pay for it."
> >
>
>
>
--
"Christmas is a time when kids tell Santa what they want and adults pay for
it. Deficits are when adults tell the government what they want and their
kids pay for it."
some maintenance and better humor to stay sufficient to the task. (humorous
sarcasm here)
None here see you as public 'enema' number one, We all hold your input as
rewarding in it's own right. Few have had the privilege of holding the
honored (hot)seat that you have had. (though it seems less honored in the
retelling it seems)
Now back on topic!
It is simply a matter of perspective; for me, math has always been a
challenge, where as, putting things 'in the ballpark' through intelligent
guesstimating is second nature. thus my comment about handwavium.
On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 7:42 PM, [Traveller_TNE] <
> wrote:
>
>
> That's funny, I always thought that the translation of CT skills to BL was
> very straightforward. Either I'm misremembering 20 years ago or I'm just
> bats$%t crazy again. When I ran CT starship combat as a ref it was always
> very character and skill centric, and BL felt like exactly the same deal
> to me. But you know how that goes, I'm the antichrist, a liar, and a
> beastiality-liking-type-guy.
>
>
> > I have always more or less ignored the hate there at COTI. I 'think' I am
> > sane and simply use the shiny bits that attract my attention and play on.
> > It is monumentally diffcult however to create a combat system for
> > spaceships using CT standards that work well for ships built under TNE
> > rules. and there is no easy way to convert CT skillsets to play ship
> > combat
> > under TNE/Brilliant Lances. Much Handwavium is necessary to fluff it
> > through.
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 5:56 PM, [Traveller_TNE] <
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Another way of saying that is:
> >>
> >> "We're all crazy. Let he who is without sin in his glass house cast the
> >> first stone."
> >>
> >> NFL vs. Traveller, I don't think math makes ratios that small.
> >>
> >>
> >> > Chuck, Rupert, et al.--
> >> >
> >> > Having given this a fair amount of thought over the years (being the
> >> > target of some of this "enthusiasm"), my thoughts have included this:
> >> >
> >> > The population of people who get real value, pleasure, and excitement
> >> out
> >> > of RPGs (i.e., sitting around for large portions of their lives
> >> thinking
> >> > about imaginary worlds and what happens there), is only a limited
> >> portion
> >> > of the whole population, and I think we would all accept, a minority.
> >> >
> >> > As all characteristics in life are two-edged, this capacity for
> >> sustained
> >> > fantasy comes with an unnatural aversion to things that oppose our
> >> current
> >> > "what I want to imagine," as compared to our current "things I want to
> >> > imagine."
> >> >
> >> > We all know that the things "I want to imagine" change over our lives,
> >> but
> >> > the issue is the INTENSITY of that desire/aversion, as that is
> >> necessary
> >> > for a person to want to play an RPG to begin with. As opposed to
> >> waiting
> >> > 364 days for the next Super Bowl. From what I hear, they still play
> >> that.
> >> >
> >> > As I said, I've given this a lot of thought over the years, and this
> >> is
> >> > one of my thoughts, not all of them. But today, I think it is the most
> >> > salient one. YMMV
> >> >
> >> > God bless us, every one.
> >> >
> >> >> On 5 Feb 2016 at 8:56, [Traveller_TNE]
> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> What I have absolutely never understood about our "hobby" is the
> >> level
> >> > of fanaticism that seems to appear. I've got all of the editions of
> >> > Traveller and I mix and match the pieces that work for me and ignore
> >> > the ones that don't. I'd like to think this is a balanced perspective
> >> > on a "game" that is meant to be an enjoyable experience for the
> >> > participants.
> >> >>> I've been around long enough to have seen the flamewars over any
> >> number
> >> > of different topics, and it's just utterly juvenile behavior to me. I
> >> > realize that there are those individuals who have adopted a particular
> >> > version of Traveller as a "religion" and in typical fashion are
> >> > intolerant of those who don't share their "beliefs." That sort of
> >> > behavior is just not acceptable for children, let alone adults. In
> >> > short, if a game has become your reality then you have a problem
> >> > bordering on outright addiction and you need to get a life and learn
> >> to
> >> > respect the opinions and perspectives of others without spiraling down
> >> > into some petty, childish rant about a non-real situation. Intolerance
> >> > and hate are for small-minded people. I'd like to hope that we can all
> >> > be better than that.
> >> >>> But...
> >> >>> Your Mileage May Vary...
> >> >>
> >> >> It's common behaviour for people when it comes to hobbies. There is
> >> only
> >> > one correct
> >> >> scale for a model railway, and so on.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > "Christmas is a time when kids tell Santa what they want and adults pay
> > for
> > it. Deficits are when adults tell the government what they want and their
> > kids pay for it."
> >
>
>
>
--
"Christmas is a time when kids tell Santa what they want and adults pay for
it. Deficits are when adults tell the government what they want and their
kids pay for it."