Good analysis/critique/discussion. In rough order,
No sir, I do not. While I may have known at the time, it was not a
sufficiently salient issue to impress itself. Maybe Don does or can find
out.
If the dotmaps existed, I am confident that DGP would have spilled them
back in the '90s.
The correct title is "Altar Boy."
Some stuff doesn't make "sense" from a "this really all happened
logically" perspective, but from a "this is the order in which they were
developed, so reflect thinking or priorities at that time" sense. Whether
that applies to Aldebaran or not, I don't know.
> Well, if there's really nothing in GURPS (I skipped it), Dave's right:
> There's no there there.
>
> AFAICT, TravellerMap and CORE use the same dotmap, which looks exactly
> like the one in DGP's S&A. And while it's considered forbidden canon
> (ooo scary), the dotmaps are pretty much accepted by most GMs as legit.
> I don't recall if those dotmaps were DGP's creation or taken from GDW in
> some unreleased work (Aldebaran wasn't included in /Atlas of the
> Imperium/). Maybe you know that answer. Maybe Dave or Don do.
>
> On a tangential note, I wonder what other dotmaps would've been created
> had DGP published the other alien volumes it claimed to have on its slate.
>
> I recall reading an article a few years ago about how Lucasarts had a
> "Canon Coordinator" or some such title. This guy's job (and he was paid
> to do it) was to maintain the integrity of the Star Wars timeline and
> make sure that all the licensed books, graphic novels & comics, web
> shorts, and TV shows didn't conflict with either each other or the
> official storyline dictated by the films. Traveller never had that, so
> it's no surprise that there's a conflict between CoE and 1248 even
> though both were licensed.
>
> I agree with your assertion that there should be a PE somewhere in the
> sector. The astrography (assuming you use the DGP dotmap) is sparse. J-1
> ships would have an impossible time getting around. I never got that it
> wasn't settled more, especially since J-2 has been around for thousands
> of years. I get that the Imperium had all of this ready made
> infrastructure from the 1st Imp so they did all the work of colonizing
> and building civilization, but there's such a strong desire among
> Terrans (a significant portion anyway) to explore new worlds, build
> things themselves, and establish their very own homestead (for a whole
> host of reasons), that in seems strange to me that 5 subsectors rimward
> from Terra are whole subsectors of empty worlds.
>
> Assuming you ignore MJD's 1248 work for that portion of space, I think
> it might be reasonable to think that refugees fleeing Imperial Civil War
> #2 (or Rebellion), the tyranny of Terra, and Virus would head rimward
> and build PEs. So what if life is tough? At least no one is shooting at
> you or trying to assimilate your toaster. And while Virus does go as far
> rimward as Aldebaran, we know that the focus of viral activity (or would
> that be "locus" in this case) is Core and Cymbelline and the route that
> connects them. The world density in Aldebaran is thin, especially when
> compared to the juciness of the Vilani Main and the Imperiun as a whole,
> so Virus might get bored or find that the technological meat on the
> bones of these worlds isn't worth gnawing on.
>
> Just my thoughts anyway.
>
> Do you plan on having this stuff hosted on a website somewhere?
>
> \_/
> DED
> TNE @ Yahoo ml Admin
>
> Harold Hale wrote:
>
> >>DGP's dot map, and bits and pieces out of Solomani & Aslan.
> Actually, the Winston Democracy and Malorn Union first made their
> appearance in S&A. GT referenced the Malorn Union in their publication
> GURPS Traveller: Alien Races 4 in discussing another alien race.
> Kinda messy....and Traveller story canon is very much a layer cake made
> of a variety sources. Sources that can find themselves out of print but
> not forgotten.
> FYI: If you want really messy, technically Gabreelism, which makes
> reference to a religion mentioned in S&A (The Searchers for the One
> Faith), is canon in T4 by virtue of the fact of appearing in the
> licensed BITS publication "101 Religions" and predates anything done
> with the 1248 setting, in addition to appearing in Traveller Chronicle
> (licensing originally murky), now part of the collection of canon at FFE
> (so I've heard).
> The bottomline I think is that we can spend ours talking about the
> writing or we can...you know...write. ;-)
> Anyway, expect Aldebaran Sector, the CoE version with additional c.1105
> data, sometime in the coming months. I'll let you people parse out what
> I drew from where and what I made up as I went. I promise it won't be
> boring.<<
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>
>
No sir, I do not. While I may have known at the time, it was not a
sufficiently salient issue to impress itself. Maybe Don does or can find
out.
If the dotmaps existed, I am confident that DGP would have spilled them
back in the '90s.
The correct title is "Altar Boy."
Some stuff doesn't make "sense" from a "this really all happened
logically" perspective, but from a "this is the order in which they were
developed, so reflect thinking or priorities at that time" sense. Whether
that applies to Aldebaran or not, I don't know.
> Well, if there's really nothing in GURPS (I skipped it), Dave's right:
> There's no there there.
>
> AFAICT, TravellerMap and CORE use the same dotmap, which looks exactly
> like the one in DGP's S&A. And while it's considered forbidden canon
> (ooo scary), the dotmaps are pretty much accepted by most GMs as legit.
> I don't recall if those dotmaps were DGP's creation or taken from GDW in
> some unreleased work (Aldebaran wasn't included in /Atlas of the
> Imperium/). Maybe you know that answer. Maybe Dave or Don do.
>
> On a tangential note, I wonder what other dotmaps would've been created
> had DGP published the other alien volumes it claimed to have on its slate.
>
> I recall reading an article a few years ago about how Lucasarts had a
> "Canon Coordinator" or some such title. This guy's job (and he was paid
> to do it) was to maintain the integrity of the Star Wars timeline and
> make sure that all the licensed books, graphic novels & comics, web
> shorts, and TV shows didn't conflict with either each other or the
> official storyline dictated by the films. Traveller never had that, so
> it's no surprise that there's a conflict between CoE and 1248 even
> though both were licensed.
>
> I agree with your assertion that there should be a PE somewhere in the
> sector. The astrography (assuming you use the DGP dotmap) is sparse. J-1
> ships would have an impossible time getting around. I never got that it
> wasn't settled more, especially since J-2 has been around for thousands
> of years. I get that the Imperium had all of this ready made
> infrastructure from the 1st Imp so they did all the work of colonizing
> and building civilization, but there's such a strong desire among
> Terrans (a significant portion anyway) to explore new worlds, build
> things themselves, and establish their very own homestead (for a whole
> host of reasons), that in seems strange to me that 5 subsectors rimward
> from Terra are whole subsectors of empty worlds.
>
> Assuming you ignore MJD's 1248 work for that portion of space, I think
> it might be reasonable to think that refugees fleeing Imperial Civil War
> #2 (or Rebellion), the tyranny of Terra, and Virus would head rimward
> and build PEs. So what if life is tough? At least no one is shooting at
> you or trying to assimilate your toaster. And while Virus does go as far
> rimward as Aldebaran, we know that the focus of viral activity (or would
> that be "locus" in this case) is Core and Cymbelline and the route that
> connects them. The world density in Aldebaran is thin, especially when
> compared to the juciness of the Vilani Main and the Imperiun as a whole,
> so Virus might get bored or find that the technological meat on the
> bones of these worlds isn't worth gnawing on.
>
> Just my thoughts anyway.
>
> Do you plan on having this stuff hosted on a website somewhere?
>
> \_/
> DED
> TNE @ Yahoo ml Admin
>
> Harold Hale wrote:
>
> >>DGP's dot map, and bits and pieces out of Solomani & Aslan.
> Actually, the Winston Democracy and Malorn Union first made their
> appearance in S&A. GT referenced the Malorn Union in their publication
> GURPS Traveller: Alien Races 4 in discussing another alien race.
> Kinda messy....and Traveller story canon is very much a layer cake made
> of a variety sources. Sources that can find themselves out of print but
> not forgotten.
> FYI: If you want really messy, technically Gabreelism, which makes
> reference to a religion mentioned in S&A (The Searchers for the One
> Faith), is canon in T4 by virtue of the fact of appearing in the
> licensed BITS publication "101 Religions" and predates anything done
> with the 1248 setting, in addition to appearing in Traveller Chronicle
> (licensing originally murky), now part of the collection of canon at FFE
> (so I've heard).
> The bottomline I think is that we can spend ours talking about the
> writing or we can...you know...write. ;-)
> Anyway, expect Aldebaran Sector, the CoE version with additional c.1105
> data, sometime in the coming months. I'll let you people parse out what
> I drew from where and what I made up as I went. I promise it won't be
> boring.<<
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>
>