You're right about the Maggie stuff, I think that was coming from the DGP
side. I think that's why she was as "popular" among the fans as she was,
they were all trying to read the tea leaves about whose can the worms
would wind up in, and it looked like some people were trying to point the
hints to Delphi.
But as you say, she didn't pass the sniff test.
> True but the way she is portrayed in canon is that of being one of the
> "good" guys. I can handle Craig as he was doing what a Noble should be
> doing,looking out for his people but Margret was being a power hungry go
> for broke bitch. I look at her being the second biggest bad guy in the
> Civil War/Final War Era behind Lucans people who didn't off him when
> Strephon popped up. His people get a lot of blame as well. they should
> have
> made a bee line for the first Naval base and rallied the troops instead of
> basically putting him in a cold sleep capsule. To me the bad guys in the
> civil war where the nobles who forgot that the oaths go both ways up and
> down. Brzzk especially. Oh poor me they won't look at me as Emp so I am
> going to break away. Son,you are in a minority group, that would be like a
> Vegan thinking he could be emperor. About the only High level nobles who
> did their duty where the ones who followed Altiers lead and those in
> Corridor.
>
> Wherever you go there you are-Buckaroo Banzai
>
> We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to
> visit violence on those who would do us harm. (Winston Churchill)
>
> When in doubt I think of the immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I
> just drank what?"
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 12:11 PM, [Traveller_TNE] <
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> That's a good point about Craig, but he was working through some
>> personal
>> issues at the time, trying to figure out if he was a lizard or not.
>>
>> More seriously, a big issue with the factions is that "all politics
>> is/are
>> local," but the whole storyline was a can of worms. The more you tried
>> to
>> think about it, the more you just wanted someone to give you a hint
>> about
>> which larger can it was going to wind up in. That was kind of the last
>> gasp of the thread in Traveller that just wanted it to be Star Wars
>> (Foundation and Technic History being insufficiently photogenic). A lot
>> of
>> the grognard thinking goes back to Foundation and Technic models (and
>> Tubb, etc.), but they weren't trying to market something that could ride
>> Popular currents of imagination. Anything that didn't take those pulp
>> concepts and put them onto celluloid or at least CRT pixels wasn't going
>> to get enough traction. To which the grognards would say, "So what, make
>> less money, be less greedy, sell to fewer people, go out of business for
>> all we care," but either way they're still left with the LBBs, so it's
>> kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy. "Desire nothing but desirelessness;
>> want nothing and you have everything."
>>
>> > When I was doing the music posts I was thinking about the various
>> factions
>> > of the Final War. I really think Lucan gets an unfair deal. His
>> advisers
>> > and/or Imperial guard as soon as Strephon shows up should have put a
>> > bullet in his head an ended it true but he was a legitimate heir and
>> even
>> > though he was a bastard the majority of the Imperium should have
>> backed
>> > him. The more I think about it the true bad guys where Craig and
>> Margret.
>> > In Craig we have a Sector Duke who hurt his ArchDuke who was fighting
>> the
>> > Solomoni when he pulls out and takes his navy and economy with him.
>> Altair
>> > should have sent a little group of Syleyan Rangers to visit him and
>> put
>> > someone else in that seat. He in the sceme though was minor as all he
>> did
>> > was a small at most sector problem. Margret on the other hand,tried to
>> > paint herself as a legitimate candidate for the throne. That would be
>> like
>> > What Haig tried to do when Regan was shot but with several states
>> actually
>> > following him along. She at best weakened Lucan to the point of
>> causing
>> > the Black War. If I was Lucan or one of his senior people I would have
>> > made it a major effort to eliminate her with extreme prejudice hate to
>> say
>> > it but even the twins, they would have been a target of a snatch op.
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
side. I think that's why she was as "popular" among the fans as she was,
they were all trying to read the tea leaves about whose can the worms
would wind up in, and it looked like some people were trying to point the
hints to Delphi.
But as you say, she didn't pass the sniff test.
> True but the way she is portrayed in canon is that of being one of the
> "good" guys. I can handle Craig as he was doing what a Noble should be
> doing,looking out for his people but Margret was being a power hungry go
> for broke bitch. I look at her being the second biggest bad guy in the
> Civil War/Final War Era behind Lucans people who didn't off him when
> Strephon popped up. His people get a lot of blame as well. they should
> have
> made a bee line for the first Naval base and rallied the troops instead of
> basically putting him in a cold sleep capsule. To me the bad guys in the
> civil war where the nobles who forgot that the oaths go both ways up and
> down. Brzzk especially. Oh poor me they won't look at me as Emp so I am
> going to break away. Son,you are in a minority group, that would be like a
> Vegan thinking he could be emperor. About the only High level nobles who
> did their duty where the ones who followed Altiers lead and those in
> Corridor.
>
> Wherever you go there you are-Buckaroo Banzai
>
> We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to
> visit violence on those who would do us harm. (Winston Churchill)
>
> When in doubt I think of the immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I
> just drank what?"
>
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 12:11 PM, [Traveller_TNE] <
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> That's a good point about Craig, but he was working through some
>> personal
>> issues at the time, trying to figure out if he was a lizard or not.
>>
>> More seriously, a big issue with the factions is that "all politics
>> is/are
>> local," but the whole storyline was a can of worms. The more you tried
>> to
>> think about it, the more you just wanted someone to give you a hint
>> about
>> which larger can it was going to wind up in. That was kind of the last
>> gasp of the thread in Traveller that just wanted it to be Star Wars
>> (Foundation and Technic History being insufficiently photogenic). A lot
>> of
>> the grognard thinking goes back to Foundation and Technic models (and
>> Tubb, etc.), but they weren't trying to market something that could ride
>> Popular currents of imagination. Anything that didn't take those pulp
>> concepts and put them onto celluloid or at least CRT pixels wasn't going
>> to get enough traction. To which the grognards would say, "So what, make
>> less money, be less greedy, sell to fewer people, go out of business for
>> all we care," but either way they're still left with the LBBs, so it's
>> kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy. "Desire nothing but desirelessness;
>> want nothing and you have everything."
>>
>> > When I was doing the music posts I was thinking about the various
>> factions
>> > of the Final War. I really think Lucan gets an unfair deal. His
>> advisers
>> > and/or Imperial guard as soon as Strephon shows up should have put a
>> > bullet in his head an ended it true but he was a legitimate heir and
>> even
>> > though he was a bastard the majority of the Imperium should have
>> backed
>> > him. The more I think about it the true bad guys where Craig and
>> Margret.
>> > In Craig we have a Sector Duke who hurt his ArchDuke who was fighting
>> the
>> > Solomoni when he pulls out and takes his navy and economy with him.
>> Altair
>> > should have sent a little group of Syleyan Rangers to visit him and
>> put
>> > someone else in that seat. He in the sceme though was minor as all he
>> did
>> > was a small at most sector problem. Margret on the other hand,tried to
>> > paint herself as a legitimate candidate for the throne. That would be
>> like
>> > What Haig tried to do when Regan was shot but with several states
>> actually
>> > following him along. She at best weakened Lucan to the point of
>> causing
>> > the Black War. If I was Lucan or one of his senior people I would have
>> > made it a major effort to eliminate her with extreme prejudice hate to
>> say
>> > it but even the twins, they would have been a target of a snatch op.
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>