True but the way she is portrayed in canon is that of being one of the
"good" guys. I can handle Craig as he was doing what a Noble should be
doing,looking out for his people but Margret was being a power hungry go
for broke bitch. I look at her being the second biggest bad guy in the
Civil War/Final War Era behind Lucans people who didn't off him when
Strephon popped up. His people get a lot of blame as well. they should have
made a bee line for the first Naval base and rallied the troops instead of
basically putting him in a cold sleep capsule. To me the bad guys in the
civil war where the nobles who forgot that the oaths go both ways up and
down. Brzzk especially. Oh poor me they won't look at me as Emp so I am
going to break away. Son,you are in a minority group, that would be like a
Vegan thinking he could be emperor. About the only High level nobles who
did their duty where the ones who followed Altiers lead and those in
Corridor.
Wherever you go there you are-Buckaroo Banzai
We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to
visit violence on those who would do us harm. (Winston Churchill)
When in doubt I think of the immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I
just drank what?"
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 12:11 PM, [Traveller_TNE] <
> wrote:
>
>
> That's a good point about Craig, but he was working through some personal
> issues at the time, trying to figure out if he was a lizard or not.
>
> More seriously, a big issue with the factions is that "all politics is/are
> local," but the whole storyline was a can of worms. The more you tried to
> think about it, the more you just wanted someone to give you a hint about
> which larger can it was going to wind up in. That was kind of the last
> gasp of the thread in Traveller that just wanted it to be Star Wars
> (Foundation and Technic History being insufficiently photogenic). A lot of
> the grognard thinking goes back to Foundation and Technic models (and
> Tubb, etc.), but they weren't trying to market something that could ride
> Popular currents of imagination. Anything that didn't take those pulp
> concepts and put them onto celluloid or at least CRT pixels wasn't going
> to get enough traction. To which the grognards would say, "So what, make
> less money, be less greedy, sell to fewer people, go out of business for
> all we care," but either way they're still left with the LBBs, so it's
> kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy. "Desire nothing but desirelessness;
> want nothing and you have everything."
>
> > When I was doing the music posts I was thinking about the various
> factions
> > of the Final War. I really think Lucan gets an unfair deal. His advisers
> > and/or Imperial guard as soon as Strephon shows up should have put a
> > bullet in his head an ended it true but he was a legitimate heir and even
> > though he was a bastard the majority of the Imperium should have backed
> > him. The more I think about it the true bad guys where Craig and Margret.
> > In Craig we have a Sector Duke who hurt his ArchDuke who was fighting the
> > Solomoni when he pulls out and takes his navy and economy with him.
> Altair
> > should have sent a little group of Syleyan Rangers to visit him and put
> > someone else in that seat. He in the sceme though was minor as all he did
> > was a small at most sector problem. Margret on the other hand,tried to
> > paint herself as a legitimate candidate for the throne. That would be
> like
> > What Haig tried to do when Regan was shot but with several states
> actually
> > following him along. She at best weakened Lucan to the point of causing
> > the Black War. If I was Lucan or one of his senior people I would have
> > made it a major effort to eliminate her with extreme prejudice hate to
> say
> > it but even the twins, they would have been a target of a snatch op.
> >
>
>
>
"good" guys. I can handle Craig as he was doing what a Noble should be
doing,looking out for his people but Margret was being a power hungry go
for broke bitch. I look at her being the second biggest bad guy in the
Civil War/Final War Era behind Lucans people who didn't off him when
Strephon popped up. His people get a lot of blame as well. they should have
made a bee line for the first Naval base and rallied the troops instead of
basically putting him in a cold sleep capsule. To me the bad guys in the
civil war where the nobles who forgot that the oaths go both ways up and
down. Brzzk especially. Oh poor me they won't look at me as Emp so I am
going to break away. Son,you are in a minority group, that would be like a
Vegan thinking he could be emperor. About the only High level nobles who
did their duty where the ones who followed Altiers lead and those in
Corridor.
Wherever you go there you are-Buckaroo Banzai
We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to
visit violence on those who would do us harm. (Winston Churchill)
When in doubt I think of the immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I
just drank what?"
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 12:11 PM, [Traveller_TNE] <
> wrote:
>
>
> That's a good point about Craig, but he was working through some personal
> issues at the time, trying to figure out if he was a lizard or not.
>
> More seriously, a big issue with the factions is that "all politics is/are
> local," but the whole storyline was a can of worms. The more you tried to
> think about it, the more you just wanted someone to give you a hint about
> which larger can it was going to wind up in. That was kind of the last
> gasp of the thread in Traveller that just wanted it to be Star Wars
> (Foundation and Technic History being insufficiently photogenic). A lot of
> the grognard thinking goes back to Foundation and Technic models (and
> Tubb, etc.), but they weren't trying to market something that could ride
> Popular currents of imagination. Anything that didn't take those pulp
> concepts and put them onto celluloid or at least CRT pixels wasn't going
> to get enough traction. To which the grognards would say, "So what, make
> less money, be less greedy, sell to fewer people, go out of business for
> all we care," but either way they're still left with the LBBs, so it's
> kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy. "Desire nothing but desirelessness;
> want nothing and you have everything."
>
> > When I was doing the music posts I was thinking about the various
> factions
> > of the Final War. I really think Lucan gets an unfair deal. His advisers
> > and/or Imperial guard as soon as Strephon shows up should have put a
> > bullet in his head an ended it true but he was a legitimate heir and even
> > though he was a bastard the majority of the Imperium should have backed
> > him. The more I think about it the true bad guys where Craig and Margret.
> > In Craig we have a Sector Duke who hurt his ArchDuke who was fighting the
> > Solomoni when he pulls out and takes his navy and economy with him.
> Altair
> > should have sent a little group of Syleyan Rangers to visit him and put
> > someone else in that seat. He in the sceme though was minor as all he did
> > was a small at most sector problem. Margret on the other hand,tried to
> > paint herself as a legitimate candidate for the throne. That would be
> like
> > What Haig tried to do when Regan was shot but with several states
> actually
> > following him along. She at best weakened Lucan to the point of causing
> > the Black War. If I was Lucan or one of his senior people I would have
> > made it a major effort to eliminate her with extreme prejudice hate to
> say
> > it but even the twins, they would have been a target of a snatch op.
> >
>
>
>