Re: Ships that were broken (was Re: [Traveller_TNE] Re: What do Hive

What? Someone else broke my beautiful Victrix? Harold's got him some
'splainin' to do, letting me think that I ever made a mistake! :-)

Seriously, don't feel bad about pointing out errors, I know it's not
depreciatory. Finding errors is the only way to improve things, and I am
reminded of a line from a PDQ Bach album: "It's the truth, you can't have
opinions about the truth." Perhaps my summoning up recollections of past
white-knuckled chaos makes it sound like I'm making excuses and being
defensive, so maybe I need to dial that back. Most of what I'm thinking,
though, when I retell that stuff is that it's amazing we didn't make more
mistakes than we did, we were doing so much all the time. One sad thing,
though, was that we cut off DC when we did, when I think it was maybe just
on the verge of coming into its own with X-Files on the air. But Les had
left without replacement and while I was relieved that that line would no
longer be competing for my attention, I thought the last two DC books we
put out were the best yet, and set up a really nice Minion Hinter
expansion I wanted to do. Waaaah.

> Hi Dave,
>
> I mean that the ship referenced by Harold was not done by any TNE design
> process. It appears to be an adaption of the Vixtrix to a subsequent
> design system.
>
> Eamon
>
> BTW, my comment on the launch and Donosev was not meant to be depreciatory
> in any way - to have produced what you and GDW did, with the tech of the
> day was amazing. The fact that we're all talking about it 2 decades later
> attests to that.
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 24/2/15, [Traveller_TNE]
> <> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: Ships that were broken (was Re: [Traveller_TNE] Re: What
> do      Hivers know about the Droyne?)
> To:
> Date: Tuesday, 24 February, 2015, 16:00
>        
>        Eamon--
>
>
>
> When you say "non-FFS" do you mean before FFS was
> published? Like in the
>
> BL booklet? There are two things going on there. One is that
> some ships
>
> got designed while the system was evolving, and may not have
> gotten
>
> thoroughly updated as things changed. Since the flag on the
> launch was the
>
> lower threshold and not the power density, that might have
> been something
>
> that hadn't been written yet, or was easy to overlook,
> easily the latter.
>
>
>
> The other is that ship designers could make mistakes faster
> than I could
>
> check them, much less fix them. I would have a stack of
> print-outs on my
>
> desk and I would go through them and line out the errors and
> send them
>
> back for corrections and they would come back with new
> errors introduced,
>
> and after seeing the same ship in a tractor-feed dot-matrix
> print-out
>
> literally 10 or 12 times you would just about go blind. BL
> literally
>
> reduced me to tears. We had missed two or three printer
> deadlines and the
>
> premise was that the persons making the ships were
> "going to get them
>
> right this time, really we mean it," and I had been
> promising my wife our
>
> first "vacation" (a three-day weekend, remember, I
> worked 80 hours/wk 52
>
> weeks a year for four years straight) that kept getting
> cancelled, and
>
> here we were on the last day and I started reviewing the
> ships and they
>
> were ALL f#$%ed up and all of the life just drained out of
> me because I
>
> was going to have to call my wife and cancel the
> "vacation" again. I
>
> walked out onto the back porch and just started crying. My
> disappearance
>
> got some kind of attention in the office and a parade of
> people came out
>
> to try to keep me from...jumping, or something. Finally our
> print buyer
>
> came out and told me she called the printer and got us an
> extension so I
>
> could finish it after the three-day weekend. Even though I
> wasn't going to
>
> jump, and it was just the second story anyway, I have always
> thought of
>
> that moment that she "saved my life," because I
> was just done at that
>
> point. My wife ended up divorcing me anyway. It's hard
> to remember back
>
> then that all that stuff was done manually with a hand
> calculator. No
>
> spreadsheets that we could afford, no Internet, no e-mail.
> Building
>
> mnemonic circuits with stone knives and bearskins.
>
>
>
> When did we do the Donosev? Was that BL too? I think maybe I
> can remember
>
> the counter, with that ice cream scoop. I'll bet we
> ended up changing the
>
> hangar volume multipliers. I still have all of those old
> print-outs,
>
> assuming they're not water damaged or chewed up by mice
> or something. The
>
> only things I threw away were the production schedules and
> warehouse
>
> reports, and of course I wish I hadn't done that. Also
> two USS Coral Sea
>
> UIMs that were given to me at her decommissioning ceremony
> that
>
> accidentally got tossed in an "empty" bag. I spent
> some time dumpster
>
> diving for those but had to give up. We had a really big
> dumpster behind
>
> the building.
>
>
>
> > Actually,
>
> >
>
> > I think that comment is about a non-FFS version of the
> Victrix.
>
> >
>
> > Actual 'broken' ships in TNE seem rare. The
> TL-12 Launch has a 14MW Fusion
>
> > Plant - lowest output at TL-12 is 20MW. The Donosev is
> a little bit
>
> > Tardisy, having an over spill in internal tonnage from
> the hangars.
>
> >
>
> > Considering this was done in the days before the Holy
> Spreadsheet of St.
>
> > Antti Lahiten*, that is a laudable score.
>
> >
>
> > Eamon
>
> >
>
> > * Not that using the sheet in the Forms Booklets did
> not have it's own
>
> > charms...
>
> >
>
> > --------------------------------------------
>
> > On Sun, 22/2/15, Harold Hale
> [Traveller_TNE]
>
> > <> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >  Subject: Re: [Traveller_TNE] Re: What do Hivers know
> about the Droyne?
>
> >  To: ""
> <>
>
> >  Date: Sunday, 22 February, 2015, 14:32
>
> >
>
> >        Wouldn't
>
> >  be the first time that something popped up in a
> Traveller
>
> >  book that can't be re-created using the design
>
> >  sequences.
>
> >
> http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Discuss//showthread.php?p=116339
>
> >  FYI: TL 12
>
> >  ship with a TL 13 jump drive and power plant
>
> >
>
> >  There was
>
> >  also one of the design sequences in FF&S (I
> don't
>
> >  recall now which one off the top of my head) that
> simply
>
> >  couldn't produce equivalent 20th century real
> world
>
> >  designs. Simple solution was just go ahead and use
> what
>
> >  FF&S gave you with the knowledge it was
>
> >  "wrong" or use the contemporary numbers
> for
>
> >  whatever it was and not stress about it.
>
> >
>
> >  Ultimately though we're speculating here about
> the
>
> >  "how" behind a canon storyline. The story
> is
>
> >  indeed correct as you state by default. The
> "how"
>
> >  has more wiggle room.
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