I'm unconcerned by Marc's attempt to bulldoze the setting. Each game is after all a different edition. It has no effect on the existence or validity of prior editions, any more than later editions of D&D/Pathfinder invalidate the little brown books from 1974 I still have in my collection.
My concern over T5 is that it's such a huge honkin' tome that it effectively bars entry to new players. I think Mongoose (and CT) had it right. Introduce the rules in one publication, then introduce the advanced rules and complications in others.
Traveller belongs to Marc, but the game belongs to us, the players.
Regards, Scott
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 10, 2014, at 4:43 AM, "Eamon Watters [Traveller_TNE]" <> wrote:
>
> I'm another who is glad to have steered away from T5, though I kept an open mind initially. However, seeing the mad list of digits that now accompany UWPs soured me slightly, however it's the "Second Survey", a 'clean-up' of old UWPs which really put it in the must-avoid pile for me.
>
> This "Second Survey", strangely enough, does not address the low-pop "rockball worlds" which populate much of Delphi and other sectors. Nor does it address the ridiculous names that have been allowed to creep into 'canon' - some subsectors read like a telephone directory. Nope. It does drop most tech-16 worlds from the setting - because new things are possible at tech-16 in T5 (Why not set those to tech-17? Too sensible, I guess). However, that's not even the worst - lots of worlds in published settings get their tech levels massively reduced. Sufren drops to TL-12, pre-virus, losing three tech levels; Accra loses 4 tech levels to hit TL-10, as does Nike Nimbus, and Vezina. Spires, strangely enough, gains three tech levels - hitting TL-5. These are just a handful. What a wonderful fix! A lot of TNE/HT settings virtually get wiped out of Traveller Canon.
>
> As to why Marc allows stuff out like T5, I guess we have to contend with the fact that our vision of what things can be can often blind us to faults in that thing*.
>
> Eamon
>
> * YMMV, I'm sure a lot of people are happy with T5.
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Sat, 10/5/14, [Traveller_TNE] <> wrote:
>
> Subject: [Traveller_TNE] T5 Status
> To:
> Date: Saturday, 10 May, 2014, 0:16
>
> I'm glad I stayed away from the whole T5
> thing. After T4 there was no reason to beleive that T5
> would be any better edited. Also it seemed way to big and
> ambitious.
>
> I'm curious
> as to why Marc would let something out that was so messy.
> Anyone know?
>
> Matt
>
> ==========================
>
> ---In ,
> <evil_dr_ganymede@...> wrote :
>
> I
> don't think T5 can really be said to have 'made its
> debut' yet. The version that was released as a result of
> the kickstarter was such a mess and contained so many errors
> and was so poorly received that the diehards are pretty much
> going over it all again in an attempt to get something
> playable out of it.
>
> The sad
> thing is that it's not even relevant. If people want to
> get into Traveller nowadays then they'll get Mongoose or
> Classic Traveller.
>
>
> I'm glad I stayed away from the whole T5
> thing. After T4 there was no reason to beleive that T5
> would be any better edited. Also it seemed way to big and
> ambitious.
>
> I'm curious
> as to why Marc would let something out that was so messy.
> Anyone know?
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Traveller belongs to Marc, but the game belongs to us, the players.
Regards, Scott
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 10, 2014, at 4:43 AM, "Eamon Watters [Traveller_TNE]" <> wrote:
>
> I'm another who is glad to have steered away from T5, though I kept an open mind initially. However, seeing the mad list of digits that now accompany UWPs soured me slightly, however it's the "Second Survey", a 'clean-up' of old UWPs which really put it in the must-avoid pile for me.
>
> This "Second Survey", strangely enough, does not address the low-pop "rockball worlds" which populate much of Delphi and other sectors. Nor does it address the ridiculous names that have been allowed to creep into 'canon' - some subsectors read like a telephone directory. Nope. It does drop most tech-16 worlds from the setting - because new things are possible at tech-16 in T5 (Why not set those to tech-17? Too sensible, I guess). However, that's not even the worst - lots of worlds in published settings get their tech levels massively reduced. Sufren drops to TL-12, pre-virus, losing three tech levels; Accra loses 4 tech levels to hit TL-10, as does Nike Nimbus, and Vezina. Spires, strangely enough, gains three tech levels - hitting TL-5. These are just a handful. What a wonderful fix! A lot of TNE/HT settings virtually get wiped out of Traveller Canon.
>
> As to why Marc allows stuff out like T5, I guess we have to contend with the fact that our vision of what things can be can often blind us to faults in that thing*.
>
> Eamon
>
> * YMMV, I'm sure a lot of people are happy with T5.
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Sat, 10/5/14, [Traveller_TNE] <> wrote:
>
> Subject: [Traveller_TNE] T5 Status
> To:
> Date: Saturday, 10 May, 2014, 0:16
>
> I'm glad I stayed away from the whole T5
> thing. After T4 there was no reason to beleive that T5
> would be any better edited. Also it seemed way to big and
> ambitious.
>
> I'm curious
> as to why Marc would let something out that was so messy.
> Anyone know?
>
> Matt
>
> ==========================
>
> ---In ,
> <evil_dr_ganymede@...> wrote :
>
> I
> don't think T5 can really be said to have 'made its
> debut' yet. The version that was released as a result of
> the kickstarter was such a mess and contained so many errors
> and was so poorly received that the diehards are pretty much
> going over it all again in an attempt to get something
> playable out of it.
>
> The sad
> thing is that it's not even relevant. If people want to
> get into Traveller nowadays then they'll get Mongoose or
> Classic Traveller.
>
>
> I'm glad I stayed away from the whole T5
> thing. After T4 there was no reason to beleive that T5
> would be any better edited. Also it seemed way to big and
> ambitious.
>
> I'm curious
> as to why Marc would let something out that was so messy.
> Anyone know?
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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