Oh, you almost got back on topic, but then you veered off to Dr. Who!
I might have seen that one, as it's 4th Dr. I've only ever seen 3, 4, and
5, but probably saw all of 3 and most of 5. There's a lot of Tom Baker, so
I can't be sure of 4.
Yes, I have, as that's the one where he meets Leela. Now if I could just
remember the story. Reading the Wikipedia entry, I remember a carving of
the doctor's face.
That story has got a nice "hidden technological past" feel like the intro
adventures in TNE.
> Just a sort of back on topic throw in
> I always thought the perfect example of a god Virus I ever sen on TV was i
> the Dr Who episode Face of Evil
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 6:13 PM, DEREK STANLEY <> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> You forgot the mystical powers of Chuck Norris' beard, but that pretty
>> much sums it up.
>>
>> Derek Stanley
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Apr 7, 2014, at 3:25 PM, wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> X-ray lasers for space combat would never happen, because all anyone
>> needs
>> to do is accelerate enough rocks to C and clear a system out. Also,
>> these
>> rocks are filled with nanites that will drop off and rebuild everything
>> that is destroyed by the C rocks, but under your ownership. Traveller is
>> stupid because it doesn't know what nanites can do.
>>
>> Or Holodecks. Holodecks can take over the world, because Sherlock Holmes
>> and Einstein live inside it, and they would take over the world and find
>> a
>> solution to the nanite plague. Traveller is stupid because it doesn't
>> have
>> holodecks taking over the world.
>>
>> Also, "nanite" doesn't mean "really, really, a thousand times really
>> small
>> machines," it means things baked by my Nana. She bakes a mean nanite
>> pie.
>> Traveller doesn't have nanite pies. There's not even a pie-design
>> sequence
>> in FF&S. There's not even an oven-design sequence in FF&S. Your FF&S is
>> all forked up.
>>
>> You Traveller guys are so lame, Luke Skywalker could beat you up with
>> his
>> old blue lightsaber, the original Luke Skywalker from Episode IV: A New
>> Hope, when he was still whiny, and Ben Kenobi would be the new emperor.
>> And when people would try to assassinate him, his empty robe would just
>> fall to the floor, and he show up behind them and say, "that is not the
>> emperor you are gunning for" and BAM! give them a quick Jedi
>> nerve-pinch.
>> How logical is that? IMTU everything is cooler.
>>
>> > I thought that there simply weren't enough flame wars and discussions
>> > about near C rocks on this channel. ð
>> >
>> > Derek Stanley
>> > Sent from my iPhone...
>> >
>> >> On Apr 7, 2014, at 13:39, wrote:
>> >>
>> >> That's odd, Uxi's reply appears to have pulled forward some
>> >> conversation
>> >> from Derek that I haven't seen yet.
>> >>
>> >> Based on last night's show we must be coming up on Galileo. It will
>> be
>> >> interesting to see if they take the easy/popular way out. Based on
>> the
>> >> time and format I'm sure they won't be able to go into the detail of
>> >> some
>> >> stuff I've read that shows the problems with Galileo's assertions and
>> >> the
>> >> fact that Church scientists agreed with some of what he was saying
>> and
>> >> that the conflict turned on finer points and personalities. Probably
>> >> have
>> >> to be content with finer shades of phrasing than the typical, "Stupid
>> >> Church believed Bible literally," as that's a more recent and largely
>> >> American phenomenon.
>> >>
>> >> DANGEROUS GROUND, STOP TREADING
>> >>
>> >> > The show made him out to be a martyr for astronomy/science (similar
>> to
>> >> hiw
>> >> > Galileo's issues are usually misrepresented) when instead his
>> >> cosmological
>> >> > ideas were more like astrology and based on occultist cosmology.
>> Bruno
>> >> was
>> >> > no scientist and never pretended to be.
>> >> >
>> >> > A viewer without any knowledge will come away with decent science,
>> >> perhaps
>> >> > but a completely dishonest portrayal of Bruno as a man, as well as
>> why
>> >> he
>> >> > burned.
>> >> >
>> >> > - Sent from my SM-N900T
>> >> > On Apr 7, 2014 11:32 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You looked of course at the writers and noticed that the people
>> who
>> >> >> wrote
>> >> >> the original Cosmos wrote this one as well. Well except for Sagan
>> but
>> >> I
>> >> >> guess we'll have to excuse him for not putting his 2 cents worth
>> >> into
>> >> >> this
>> >> >> one. J
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It's been a few weeks since I watched the first episode so I don't
>> >> >> recall
>> >> >> 100% what was said about Bruno but the essence of the individual
>> was
>> >> >> there. Benedictine monk, heliocentric solar system, excommunicated
>> >> by
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> church, thought some crazy things, wandered Europe, burned at that
>> >> >> stake.
>> >> >> The problem with History is it's written by the victors and being
>> >> burned
>> >> >> at
>> >> >> the stake doesn't count as a victory in my mind. Was Bruno a weird
>> >> guy
>> >> >> who
>> >> >> wrote a lot of crazy things? Yes. Did he come up with an idea that
>> >> no
>> >> >> one
>> >> >> else had come up with? Yes.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> To be honest if the average person walked away from the episode
>> >> learning
>> >> >> that the Earth goes around the sun and not the other way around...
>> >> USA
>> >> >> I'm
>> >> >> looking in your direction here... I'd be happy.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://time.com/7809/1-in-4-americans-thinks-sun-orbits-earth/
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> *From:* [
>> >> >> ] *On Behalf Of *Master Uxi
>> >> >> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 11:05 AM
>> >> >> *To:*
>> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [Traveller_TNE] Seth McFarlane
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I haven't watched since I saw the mendacious propaganda on
>> Giordano
>> >> >> Bruno
>> >> >> and its complete misrepresentation of history. Definitely unworthy
>> >> of
>> >> >> Sagan's series.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> - Sent from my SM-N900T
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Apr 7, 2014 10:54 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Heheheh...
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I was as shocked as you when I saw he was a producer months back
>> but
>> >> >> when
>> >> >> I saw an interview with NdGT about it made a lot more sense.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Can't find the original interview but here's one with Seth and
>> while
>> >> I
>> >> >> don't have a ton of use for Family Guy you can't deny he's right
>> >> about
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> lack of Science literacy in the world and if this makes people
>> >> wonder
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> question things well I'm all for that.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://youtu.be/Ua5xqQpZp8Q
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> My 7 year old is kind of on and off about the program, he's the
>> >> poster
>> >> >> child for ADHD and when he's got the focus he's onboard for it but
>> >> when
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> focus dwindles it's difficult for him to concentrate long enough
>> to
>> >> >> connect
>> >> >> the thoughts. Oddly he cheers every time Albert Einstein and
>> Stephen
>> >> >> Hawking are mentioned, although he doesn't really understand what
>> >> >> they're
>> >> >> about they're his hero's for some weird reason. I'll just go with
>> >> it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It probably started when he was about 5 and I was watching
>> something
>> >> >> about
>> >> >> the theory of relativity on the TV and after this long discussion
>> on
>> >> the
>> >> >> TV
>> >> >> that he really didn't seem to be following he looked at me and
>> said.
>> >> >> "So
>> >> >> they're saying that an object in space bends and twists the fabric
>> >> of
>> >> >> space
>> >> >> around it?"
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> *From:* [
>> >> >> ] *On Behalf Of *
>> >> >> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 10:36 AM
>> >> >> *To:*
>> >> >> *Subject:* RE: [Traveller_TNE] Re: TNE - Stellar failure
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank
>> >> hated
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with
>> the
>> >> >> horrible
>> >> >> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an
>> >> excuse
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I
>> >> >> initially
>> >> >> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I remember some early pre-TNE conversations where Frank saw the
>> Hard
>> >> >> Times, post-Rebellion, eventually Collapse dynamic as an in-game
>> >> "silver
>> >> >> lining" way to get rid of those worlds.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Not an invalid thought, but you'd still have players and RC going
>> to
>> >> >> them
>> >> >> to scrounge vacuum-preserved goodies. And there was also the
>> dynamic
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> star change introduced into it. In addition to the Hi-Pop airless
>> >> rocks
>> >> >> you also had the Hi-Pop worlds with atmospheres around stars with
>> no
>> >> >> habitable zones, which worked out almost the same way, because you
>> >> still
>> >> >> had to put the population under domes or underground to provide
>> >> >> artificial
>> >> >> heat. Fixing the stars would allow them to survive without
>> >> technology,
>> >> >> but
>> >> >> would require the "Collapser" to remember to fix the star before
>> >> >> applying
>> >> >> "Collapsing." That is the way it ought to have been done. Maybe
>> the
>> >> >> Gelinas article Alan mentioned in Challenge 77 goes into that, as
>> I
>> >> am
>> >> >> clearly leery of saying, "this is what we did, and we succeeded,"
>> >> where
>> >> >> that dynamic is involved.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> By the way, I had the TV on last night and watched some of the new
>> >> >> "Cosmos" series on Fox, and I realized what the root of all my
>> >> problems
>> >> >> is.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The executive producer of the new "Cosmos" is Seth McFarlane
>> (Family
>> >> >> Guy,
>> >> >> American Dad, Cleveland Show).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Clearly, everything that I thought I knew about anything is wrong.
>> >> Just
>> >> >> wrong.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Ã Oh look, there's Alell. Never mind, DED, we found it.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Oh look, there is a big ol' screw-up on me.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The physical characteristics of Alell are 467. So, yes, indeed,
>> it
>> >> >> should
>> >> >> > have had one of its stars increased to be F-K. I probably should
>> >> have
>> >> >> made
>> >> >> > it have stellar data of "K7V M7V". I dunno why I screwed it up.
>> >> Maybe
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> > thought two M7Vs in a tight formation would have produced enough
>> >> heat?
>> >> >> > Regardless, I should have definitely bumped it. Maybe I could
>> have
>> >> >> swapped
>> >> >> > it around with Boughene and make Boughene be an M7V, and Alell
>> be
>> >> a
>> >> >> K7V
>> >> >> > M7V
>> >> >> > so as to try and keep the distribution a little more like the
>> >> >> original.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank
>> >> hated
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with
>> the
>> >> >> horrible
>> >> >> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an
>> >> excuse
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I
>> >> >> initially
>> >> >> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Mike West
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
I might have seen that one, as it's 4th Dr. I've only ever seen 3, 4, and
5, but probably saw all of 3 and most of 5. There's a lot of Tom Baker, so
I can't be sure of 4.
Yes, I have, as that's the one where he meets Leela. Now if I could just
remember the story. Reading the Wikipedia entry, I remember a carving of
the doctor's face.
That story has got a nice "hidden technological past" feel like the intro
adventures in TNE.
> Just a sort of back on topic throw in
> I always thought the perfect example of a god Virus I ever sen on TV was i
> the Dr Who episode Face of Evil
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 6:13 PM, DEREK STANLEY <> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> You forgot the mystical powers of Chuck Norris' beard, but that pretty
>> much sums it up.
>>
>> Derek Stanley
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Apr 7, 2014, at 3:25 PM, wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> X-ray lasers for space combat would never happen, because all anyone
>> needs
>> to do is accelerate enough rocks to C and clear a system out. Also,
>> these
>> rocks are filled with nanites that will drop off and rebuild everything
>> that is destroyed by the C rocks, but under your ownership. Traveller is
>> stupid because it doesn't know what nanites can do.
>>
>> Or Holodecks. Holodecks can take over the world, because Sherlock Holmes
>> and Einstein live inside it, and they would take over the world and find
>> a
>> solution to the nanite plague. Traveller is stupid because it doesn't
>> have
>> holodecks taking over the world.
>>
>> Also, "nanite" doesn't mean "really, really, a thousand times really
>> small
>> machines," it means things baked by my Nana. She bakes a mean nanite
>> pie.
>> Traveller doesn't have nanite pies. There's not even a pie-design
>> sequence
>> in FF&S. There's not even an oven-design sequence in FF&S. Your FF&S is
>> all forked up.
>>
>> You Traveller guys are so lame, Luke Skywalker could beat you up with
>> his
>> old blue lightsaber, the original Luke Skywalker from Episode IV: A New
>> Hope, when he was still whiny, and Ben Kenobi would be the new emperor.
>> And when people would try to assassinate him, his empty robe would just
>> fall to the floor, and he show up behind them and say, "that is not the
>> emperor you are gunning for" and BAM! give them a quick Jedi
>> nerve-pinch.
>> How logical is that? IMTU everything is cooler.
>>
>> > I thought that there simply weren't enough flame wars and discussions
>> > about near C rocks on this channel. ð
>> >
>> > Derek Stanley
>> > Sent from my iPhone...
>> >
>> >> On Apr 7, 2014, at 13:39, wrote:
>> >>
>> >> That's odd, Uxi's reply appears to have pulled forward some
>> >> conversation
>> >> from Derek that I haven't seen yet.
>> >>
>> >> Based on last night's show we must be coming up on Galileo. It will
>> be
>> >> interesting to see if they take the easy/popular way out. Based on
>> the
>> >> time and format I'm sure they won't be able to go into the detail of
>> >> some
>> >> stuff I've read that shows the problems with Galileo's assertions and
>> >> the
>> >> fact that Church scientists agreed with some of what he was saying
>> and
>> >> that the conflict turned on finer points and personalities. Probably
>> >> have
>> >> to be content with finer shades of phrasing than the typical, "Stupid
>> >> Church believed Bible literally," as that's a more recent and largely
>> >> American phenomenon.
>> >>
>> >> DANGEROUS GROUND, STOP TREADING
>> >>
>> >> > The show made him out to be a martyr for astronomy/science (similar
>> to
>> >> hiw
>> >> > Galileo's issues are usually misrepresented) when instead his
>> >> cosmological
>> >> > ideas were more like astrology and based on occultist cosmology.
>> Bruno
>> >> was
>> >> > no scientist and never pretended to be.
>> >> >
>> >> > A viewer without any knowledge will come away with decent science,
>> >> perhaps
>> >> > but a completely dishonest portrayal of Bruno as a man, as well as
>> why
>> >> he
>> >> > burned.
>> >> >
>> >> > - Sent from my SM-N900T
>> >> > On Apr 7, 2014 11:32 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You looked of course at the writers and noticed that the people
>> who
>> >> >> wrote
>> >> >> the original Cosmos wrote this one as well. Well except for Sagan
>> but
>> >> I
>> >> >> guess we'll have to excuse him for not putting his 2 cents worth
>> >> into
>> >> >> this
>> >> >> one. J
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It's been a few weeks since I watched the first episode so I don't
>> >> >> recall
>> >> >> 100% what was said about Bruno but the essence of the individual
>> was
>> >> >> there. Benedictine monk, heliocentric solar system, excommunicated
>> >> by
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> church, thought some crazy things, wandered Europe, burned at that
>> >> >> stake.
>> >> >> The problem with History is it's written by the victors and being
>> >> burned
>> >> >> at
>> >> >> the stake doesn't count as a victory in my mind. Was Bruno a weird
>> >> guy
>> >> >> who
>> >> >> wrote a lot of crazy things? Yes. Did he come up with an idea that
>> >> no
>> >> >> one
>> >> >> else had come up with? Yes.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> To be honest if the average person walked away from the episode
>> >> learning
>> >> >> that the Earth goes around the sun and not the other way around...
>> >> USA
>> >> >> I'm
>> >> >> looking in your direction here... I'd be happy.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://time.com/7809/1-in-4-americans-thinks-sun-orbits-earth/
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> *From:* [
>> >> >> ] *On Behalf Of *Master Uxi
>> >> >> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 11:05 AM
>> >> >> *To:*
>> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [Traveller_TNE] Seth McFarlane
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I haven't watched since I saw the mendacious propaganda on
>> Giordano
>> >> >> Bruno
>> >> >> and its complete misrepresentation of history. Definitely unworthy
>> >> of
>> >> >> Sagan's series.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> - Sent from my SM-N900T
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Apr 7, 2014 10:54 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Heheheh...
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I was as shocked as you when I saw he was a producer months back
>> but
>> >> >> when
>> >> >> I saw an interview with NdGT about it made a lot more sense.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Can't find the original interview but here's one with Seth and
>> while
>> >> I
>> >> >> don't have a ton of use for Family Guy you can't deny he's right
>> >> about
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> lack of Science literacy in the world and if this makes people
>> >> wonder
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> question things well I'm all for that.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://youtu.be/Ua5xqQpZp8Q
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> My 7 year old is kind of on and off about the program, he's the
>> >> poster
>> >> >> child for ADHD and when he's got the focus he's onboard for it but
>> >> when
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> focus dwindles it's difficult for him to concentrate long enough
>> to
>> >> >> connect
>> >> >> the thoughts. Oddly he cheers every time Albert Einstein and
>> Stephen
>> >> >> Hawking are mentioned, although he doesn't really understand what
>> >> >> they're
>> >> >> about they're his hero's for some weird reason. I'll just go with
>> >> it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It probably started when he was about 5 and I was watching
>> something
>> >> >> about
>> >> >> the theory of relativity on the TV and after this long discussion
>> on
>> >> the
>> >> >> TV
>> >> >> that he really didn't seem to be following he looked at me and
>> said.
>> >> >> "So
>> >> >> they're saying that an object in space bends and twists the fabric
>> >> of
>> >> >> space
>> >> >> around it?"
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> *From:* [
>> >> >> ] *On Behalf Of *
>> >> >> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 10:36 AM
>> >> >> *To:*
>> >> >> *Subject:* RE: [Traveller_TNE] Re: TNE - Stellar failure
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank
>> >> hated
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with
>> the
>> >> >> horrible
>> >> >> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an
>> >> excuse
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I
>> >> >> initially
>> >> >> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I remember some early pre-TNE conversations where Frank saw the
>> Hard
>> >> >> Times, post-Rebellion, eventually Collapse dynamic as an in-game
>> >> "silver
>> >> >> lining" way to get rid of those worlds.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Not an invalid thought, but you'd still have players and RC going
>> to
>> >> >> them
>> >> >> to scrounge vacuum-preserved goodies. And there was also the
>> dynamic
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> star change introduced into it. In addition to the Hi-Pop airless
>> >> rocks
>> >> >> you also had the Hi-Pop worlds with atmospheres around stars with
>> no
>> >> >> habitable zones, which worked out almost the same way, because you
>> >> still
>> >> >> had to put the population under domes or underground to provide
>> >> >> artificial
>> >> >> heat. Fixing the stars would allow them to survive without
>> >> technology,
>> >> >> but
>> >> >> would require the "Collapser" to remember to fix the star before
>> >> >> applying
>> >> >> "Collapsing." That is the way it ought to have been done. Maybe
>> the
>> >> >> Gelinas article Alan mentioned in Challenge 77 goes into that, as
>> I
>> >> am
>> >> >> clearly leery of saying, "this is what we did, and we succeeded,"
>> >> where
>> >> >> that dynamic is involved.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> By the way, I had the TV on last night and watched some of the new
>> >> >> "Cosmos" series on Fox, and I realized what the root of all my
>> >> problems
>> >> >> is.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The executive producer of the new "Cosmos" is Seth McFarlane
>> (Family
>> >> >> Guy,
>> >> >> American Dad, Cleveland Show).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Clearly, everything that I thought I knew about anything is wrong.
>> >> Just
>> >> >> wrong.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Ã Oh look, there's Alell. Never mind, DED, we found it.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Oh look, there is a big ol' screw-up on me.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The physical characteristics of Alell are 467. So, yes, indeed,
>> it
>> >> >> should
>> >> >> > have had one of its stars increased to be F-K. I probably should
>> >> have
>> >> >> made
>> >> >> > it have stellar data of "K7V M7V". I dunno why I screwed it up.
>> >> Maybe
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> > thought two M7Vs in a tight formation would have produced enough
>> >> heat?
>> >> >> > Regardless, I should have definitely bumped it. Maybe I could
>> have
>> >> >> swapped
>> >> >> > it around with Boughene and make Boughene be an M7V, and Alell
>> be
>> >> a
>> >> >> K7V
>> >> >> > M7V
>> >> >> > so as to try and keep the distribution a little more like the
>> >> >> original.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank
>> >> hated
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with
>> the
>> >> >> horrible
>> >> >> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an
>> >> excuse
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I
>> >> >> initially
>> >> >> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Mike West
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>