Just a sort of back on topic throw in
I always thought the perfect example of a god Virus I ever sen on TV was i
the Dr Who episode Face of Evil
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 6:13 PM, DEREK STANLEY <> wrote:
>
>
> You forgot the mystical powers of Chuck Norris' beard, but that pretty
> much sums it up.
>
> Derek Stanley
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 7, 2014, at 3:25 PM, wrote:
>
>
>
> X-ray lasers for space combat would never happen, because all anyone needs
> to do is accelerate enough rocks to C and clear a system out. Also, these
> rocks are filled with nanites that will drop off and rebuild everything
> that is destroyed by the C rocks, but under your ownership. Traveller is
> stupid because it doesn't know what nanites can do.
>
> Or Holodecks. Holodecks can take over the world, because Sherlock Holmes
> and Einstein live inside it, and they would take over the world and find a
> solution to the nanite plague. Traveller is stupid because it doesn't have
> holodecks taking over the world.
>
> Also, "nanite" doesn't mean "really, really, a thousand times really small
> machines," it means things baked by my Nana. She bakes a mean nanite pie.
> Traveller doesn't have nanite pies. There's not even a pie-design sequence
> in FF&S. There's not even an oven-design sequence in FF&S. Your FF&S is
> all forked up.
>
> You Traveller guys are so lame, Luke Skywalker could beat you up with his
> old blue lightsaber, the original Luke Skywalker from Episode IV: A New
> Hope, when he was still whiny, and Ben Kenobi would be the new emperor.
> And when people would try to assassinate him, his empty robe would just
> fall to the floor, and he show up behind them and say, "that is not the
> emperor you are gunning for" and BAM! give them a quick Jedi nerve-pinch.
> How logical is that? IMTU everything is cooler.
>
> > I thought that there simply weren't enough flame wars and discussions
> > about near C rocks on this channel. 😄
> >
> > Derek Stanley
> > Sent from my iPhone...
> >
> >> On Apr 7, 2014, at 13:39, wrote:
> >>
> >> That's odd, Uxi's reply appears to have pulled forward some
> >> conversation
> >> from Derek that I haven't seen yet.
> >>
> >> Based on last night's show we must be coming up on Galileo. It will be
> >> interesting to see if they take the easy/popular way out. Based on the
> >> time and format I'm sure they won't be able to go into the detail of
> >> some
> >> stuff I've read that shows the problems with Galileo's assertions and
> >> the
> >> fact that Church scientists agreed with some of what he was saying and
> >> that the conflict turned on finer points and personalities. Probably
> >> have
> >> to be content with finer shades of phrasing than the typical, "Stupid
> >> Church believed Bible literally," as that's a more recent and largely
> >> American phenomenon.
> >>
> >> DANGEROUS GROUND, STOP TREADING
> >>
> >> > The show made him out to be a martyr for astronomy/science (similar to
> >> hiw
> >> > Galileo's issues are usually misrepresented) when instead his
> >> cosmological
> >> > ideas were more like astrology and based on occultist cosmology. Bruno
> >> was
> >> > no scientist and never pretended to be.
> >> >
> >> > A viewer without any knowledge will come away with decent science,
> >> perhaps
> >> > but a completely dishonest portrayal of Bruno as a man, as well as why
> >> he
> >> > burned.
> >> >
> >> > - Sent from my SM-N900T
> >> > On Apr 7, 2014 11:32 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> You looked of course at the writers and noticed that the people who
> >> >> wrote
> >> >> the original Cosmos wrote this one as well. Well except for Sagan but
> >> I
> >> >> guess we'll have to excuse him for not putting his 2 cents worth
> >> into
> >> >> this
> >> >> one. J
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> It's been a few weeks since I watched the first episode so I don't
> >> >> recall
> >> >> 100% what was said about Bruno but the essence of the individual was
> >> >> there. Benedictine monk, heliocentric solar system, excommunicated
> >> by
> >> >> the
> >> >> church, thought some crazy things, wandered Europe, burned at that
> >> >> stake.
> >> >> The problem with History is it's written by the victors and being
> >> burned
> >> >> at
> >> >> the stake doesn't count as a victory in my mind. Was Bruno a weird
> >> guy
> >> >> who
> >> >> wrote a lot of crazy things? Yes. Did he come up with an idea that
> >> no
> >> >> one
> >> >> else had come up with? Yes.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> To be honest if the average person walked away from the episode
> >> learning
> >> >> that the Earth goes around the sun and not the other way around...
> >> USA
> >> >> I'm
> >> >> looking in your direction here... I'd be happy.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> http://time.com/7809/1-in-4-americans-thinks-sun-orbits-earth/
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> *From:* [
> >> >> ] *On Behalf Of *Master Uxi
> >> >> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 11:05 AM
> >> >> *To:*
> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [Traveller_TNE] Seth McFarlane
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I haven't watched since I saw the mendacious propaganda on Giordano
> >> >> Bruno
> >> >> and its complete misrepresentation of history. Definitely unworthy
> >> of
> >> >> Sagan's series.
> >> >>
> >> >> - Sent from my SM-N900T
> >> >>
> >> >> On Apr 7, 2014 10:54 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Heheheh...
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I was as shocked as you when I saw he was a producer months back but
> >> >> when
> >> >> I saw an interview with NdGT about it made a lot more sense.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Can't find the original interview but here's one with Seth and while
> >> I
> >> >> don't have a ton of use for Family Guy you can't deny he's right
> >> about
> >> >> the
> >> >> lack of Science literacy in the world and if this makes people
> >> wonder
> >> >> and
> >> >> question things well I'm all for that.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> http://youtu.be/Ua5xqQpZp8Q
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> My 7 year old is kind of on and off about the program, he's the
> >> poster
> >> >> child for ADHD and when he's got the focus he's onboard for it but
> >> when
> >> >> the
> >> >> focus dwindles it's difficult for him to concentrate long enough to
> >> >> connect
> >> >> the thoughts. Oddly he cheers every time Albert Einstein and Stephen
> >> >> Hawking are mentioned, although he doesn't really understand what
> >> >> they're
> >> >> about they're his hero's for some weird reason. I'll just go with
> >> it.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> It probably started when he was about 5 and I was watching something
> >> >> about
> >> >> the theory of relativity on the TV and after this long discussion on
> >> the
> >> >> TV
> >> >> that he really didn't seem to be following he looked at me and said.
> >> >> "So
> >> >> they're saying that an object in space bends and twists the fabric
> >> of
> >> >> space
> >> >> around it?"
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> *From:* [
> >> >> ] *On Behalf Of *
> >> >> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 10:36 AM
> >> >> *To:*
> >> >> *Subject:* RE: [Traveller_TNE] Re: TNE - Stellar failure
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank
> >> hated
> >> >> the
> >> >> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with the
> >> >> horrible
> >> >> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an
> >> excuse
> >> >> to
> >> >> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I
> >> >> initially
> >> >> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
> >> >>
> >> >> I remember some early pre-TNE conversations where Frank saw the Hard
> >> >> Times, post-Rebellion, eventually Collapse dynamic as an in-game
> >> "silver
> >> >> lining" way to get rid of those worlds.
> >> >>
> >> >> Not an invalid thought, but you'd still have players and RC going to
> >> >> them
> >> >> to scrounge vacuum-preserved goodies. And there was also the dynamic
> >> >> that
> >> >> star change introduced into it. In addition to the Hi-Pop airless
> >> rocks
> >> >> you also had the Hi-Pop worlds with atmospheres around stars with no
> >> >> habitable zones, which worked out almost the same way, because you
> >> still
> >> >> had to put the population under domes or underground to provide
> >> >> artificial
> >> >> heat. Fixing the stars would allow them to survive without
> >> technology,
> >> >> but
> >> >> would require the "Collapser" to remember to fix the star before
> >> >> applying
> >> >> "Collapsing." That is the way it ought to have been done. Maybe the
> >> >> Gelinas article Alan mentioned in Challenge 77 goes into that, as I
> >> am
> >> >> clearly leery of saying, "this is what we did, and we succeeded,"
> >> where
> >> >> that dynamic is involved.
> >> >>
> >> >> By the way, I had the TV on last night and watched some of the new
> >> >> "Cosmos" series on Fox, and I realized what the root of all my
> >> problems
> >> >> is.
> >> >>
> >> >> The executive producer of the new "Cosmos" is Seth McFarlane (Family
> >> >> Guy,
> >> >> American Dad, Cleveland Show).
> >> >>
> >> >> Clearly, everything that I thought I knew about anything is wrong.
> >> Just
> >> >> wrong.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Ø Oh look, there's Alell. Never mind, DED, we found it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Oh look, there is a big ol' screw-up on me.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The physical characteristics of Alell are 467. So, yes, indeed, it
> >> >> should
> >> >> > have had one of its stars increased to be F-K. I probably should
> >> have
> >> >> made
> >> >> > it have stellar data of "K7V M7V". I dunno why I screwed it up.
> >> Maybe
> >> >> I
> >> >> > thought two M7Vs in a tight formation would have produced enough
> >> heat?
> >> >> > Regardless, I should have definitely bumped it. Maybe I could have
> >> >> swapped
> >> >> > it around with Boughene and make Boughene be an M7V, and Alell be
> >> a
> >> >> K7V
> >> >> > M7V
> >> >> > so as to try and keep the distribution a little more like the
> >> >> original.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank
> >> hated
> >> >> the
> >> >> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with the
> >> >> horrible
> >> >> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an
> >> excuse
> >> >> to
> >> >> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I
> >> >> initially
> >> >> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Mike West
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
I always thought the perfect example of a god Virus I ever sen on TV was i
the Dr Who episode Face of Evil
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 6:13 PM, DEREK STANLEY <> wrote:
>
>
> You forgot the mystical powers of Chuck Norris' beard, but that pretty
> much sums it up.
>
> Derek Stanley
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 7, 2014, at 3:25 PM, wrote:
>
>
>
> X-ray lasers for space combat would never happen, because all anyone needs
> to do is accelerate enough rocks to C and clear a system out. Also, these
> rocks are filled with nanites that will drop off and rebuild everything
> that is destroyed by the C rocks, but under your ownership. Traveller is
> stupid because it doesn't know what nanites can do.
>
> Or Holodecks. Holodecks can take over the world, because Sherlock Holmes
> and Einstein live inside it, and they would take over the world and find a
> solution to the nanite plague. Traveller is stupid because it doesn't have
> holodecks taking over the world.
>
> Also, "nanite" doesn't mean "really, really, a thousand times really small
> machines," it means things baked by my Nana. She bakes a mean nanite pie.
> Traveller doesn't have nanite pies. There's not even a pie-design sequence
> in FF&S. There's not even an oven-design sequence in FF&S. Your FF&S is
> all forked up.
>
> You Traveller guys are so lame, Luke Skywalker could beat you up with his
> old blue lightsaber, the original Luke Skywalker from Episode IV: A New
> Hope, when he was still whiny, and Ben Kenobi would be the new emperor.
> And when people would try to assassinate him, his empty robe would just
> fall to the floor, and he show up behind them and say, "that is not the
> emperor you are gunning for" and BAM! give them a quick Jedi nerve-pinch.
> How logical is that? IMTU everything is cooler.
>
> > I thought that there simply weren't enough flame wars and discussions
> > about near C rocks on this channel. 😄
> >
> > Derek Stanley
> > Sent from my iPhone...
> >
> >> On Apr 7, 2014, at 13:39, wrote:
> >>
> >> That's odd, Uxi's reply appears to have pulled forward some
> >> conversation
> >> from Derek that I haven't seen yet.
> >>
> >> Based on last night's show we must be coming up on Galileo. It will be
> >> interesting to see if they take the easy/popular way out. Based on the
> >> time and format I'm sure they won't be able to go into the detail of
> >> some
> >> stuff I've read that shows the problems with Galileo's assertions and
> >> the
> >> fact that Church scientists agreed with some of what he was saying and
> >> that the conflict turned on finer points and personalities. Probably
> >> have
> >> to be content with finer shades of phrasing than the typical, "Stupid
> >> Church believed Bible literally," as that's a more recent and largely
> >> American phenomenon.
> >>
> >> DANGEROUS GROUND, STOP TREADING
> >>
> >> > The show made him out to be a martyr for astronomy/science (similar to
> >> hiw
> >> > Galileo's issues are usually misrepresented) when instead his
> >> cosmological
> >> > ideas were more like astrology and based on occultist cosmology. Bruno
> >> was
> >> > no scientist and never pretended to be.
> >> >
> >> > A viewer without any knowledge will come away with decent science,
> >> perhaps
> >> > but a completely dishonest portrayal of Bruno as a man, as well as why
> >> he
> >> > burned.
> >> >
> >> > - Sent from my SM-N900T
> >> > On Apr 7, 2014 11:32 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> You looked of course at the writers and noticed that the people who
> >> >> wrote
> >> >> the original Cosmos wrote this one as well. Well except for Sagan but
> >> I
> >> >> guess we'll have to excuse him for not putting his 2 cents worth
> >> into
> >> >> this
> >> >> one. J
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> It's been a few weeks since I watched the first episode so I don't
> >> >> recall
> >> >> 100% what was said about Bruno but the essence of the individual was
> >> >> there. Benedictine monk, heliocentric solar system, excommunicated
> >> by
> >> >> the
> >> >> church, thought some crazy things, wandered Europe, burned at that
> >> >> stake.
> >> >> The problem with History is it's written by the victors and being
> >> burned
> >> >> at
> >> >> the stake doesn't count as a victory in my mind. Was Bruno a weird
> >> guy
> >> >> who
> >> >> wrote a lot of crazy things? Yes. Did he come up with an idea that
> >> no
> >> >> one
> >> >> else had come up with? Yes.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> To be honest if the average person walked away from the episode
> >> learning
> >> >> that the Earth goes around the sun and not the other way around...
> >> USA
> >> >> I'm
> >> >> looking in your direction here... I'd be happy.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> http://time.com/7809/1-in-4-americans-thinks-sun-orbits-earth/
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> *From:* [
> >> >> ] *On Behalf Of *Master Uxi
> >> >> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 11:05 AM
> >> >> *To:*
> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [Traveller_TNE] Seth McFarlane
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I haven't watched since I saw the mendacious propaganda on Giordano
> >> >> Bruno
> >> >> and its complete misrepresentation of history. Definitely unworthy
> >> of
> >> >> Sagan's series.
> >> >>
> >> >> - Sent from my SM-N900T
> >> >>
> >> >> On Apr 7, 2014 10:54 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Heheheh...
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I was as shocked as you when I saw he was a producer months back but
> >> >> when
> >> >> I saw an interview with NdGT about it made a lot more sense.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Can't find the original interview but here's one with Seth and while
> >> I
> >> >> don't have a ton of use for Family Guy you can't deny he's right
> >> about
> >> >> the
> >> >> lack of Science literacy in the world and if this makes people
> >> wonder
> >> >> and
> >> >> question things well I'm all for that.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> http://youtu.be/Ua5xqQpZp8Q
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> My 7 year old is kind of on and off about the program, he's the
> >> poster
> >> >> child for ADHD and when he's got the focus he's onboard for it but
> >> when
> >> >> the
> >> >> focus dwindles it's difficult for him to concentrate long enough to
> >> >> connect
> >> >> the thoughts. Oddly he cheers every time Albert Einstein and Stephen
> >> >> Hawking are mentioned, although he doesn't really understand what
> >> >> they're
> >> >> about they're his hero's for some weird reason. I'll just go with
> >> it.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> It probably started when he was about 5 and I was watching something
> >> >> about
> >> >> the theory of relativity on the TV and after this long discussion on
> >> the
> >> >> TV
> >> >> that he really didn't seem to be following he looked at me and said.
> >> >> "So
> >> >> they're saying that an object in space bends and twists the fabric
> >> of
> >> >> space
> >> >> around it?"
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> *From:* [
> >> >> ] *On Behalf Of *
> >> >> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 10:36 AM
> >> >> *To:*
> >> >> *Subject:* RE: [Traveller_TNE] Re: TNE - Stellar failure
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank
> >> hated
> >> >> the
> >> >> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with the
> >> >> horrible
> >> >> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an
> >> excuse
> >> >> to
> >> >> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I
> >> >> initially
> >> >> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
> >> >>
> >> >> I remember some early pre-TNE conversations where Frank saw the Hard
> >> >> Times, post-Rebellion, eventually Collapse dynamic as an in-game
> >> "silver
> >> >> lining" way to get rid of those worlds.
> >> >>
> >> >> Not an invalid thought, but you'd still have players and RC going to
> >> >> them
> >> >> to scrounge vacuum-preserved goodies. And there was also the dynamic
> >> >> that
> >> >> star change introduced into it. In addition to the Hi-Pop airless
> >> rocks
> >> >> you also had the Hi-Pop worlds with atmospheres around stars with no
> >> >> habitable zones, which worked out almost the same way, because you
> >> still
> >> >> had to put the population under domes or underground to provide
> >> >> artificial
> >> >> heat. Fixing the stars would allow them to survive without
> >> technology,
> >> >> but
> >> >> would require the "Collapser" to remember to fix the star before
> >> >> applying
> >> >> "Collapsing." That is the way it ought to have been done. Maybe the
> >> >> Gelinas article Alan mentioned in Challenge 77 goes into that, as I
> >> am
> >> >> clearly leery of saying, "this is what we did, and we succeeded,"
> >> where
> >> >> that dynamic is involved.
> >> >>
> >> >> By the way, I had the TV on last night and watched some of the new
> >> >> "Cosmos" series on Fox, and I realized what the root of all my
> >> problems
> >> >> is.
> >> >>
> >> >> The executive producer of the new "Cosmos" is Seth McFarlane (Family
> >> >> Guy,
> >> >> American Dad, Cleveland Show).
> >> >>
> >> >> Clearly, everything that I thought I knew about anything is wrong.
> >> Just
> >> >> wrong.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Ø Oh look, there's Alell. Never mind, DED, we found it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Oh look, there is a big ol' screw-up on me.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The physical characteristics of Alell are 467. So, yes, indeed, it
> >> >> should
> >> >> > have had one of its stars increased to be F-K. I probably should
> >> have
> >> >> made
> >> >> > it have stellar data of "K7V M7V". I dunno why I screwed it up.
> >> Maybe
> >> >> I
> >> >> > thought two M7Vs in a tight formation would have produced enough
> >> heat?
> >> >> > Regardless, I should have definitely bumped it. Maybe I could have
> >> >> swapped
> >> >> > it around with Boughene and make Boughene be an M7V, and Alell be
> >> a
> >> >> K7V
> >> >> > M7V
> >> >> > so as to try and keep the distribution a little more like the
> >> >> original.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank
> >> hated
> >> >> the
> >> >> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with the
> >> >> horrible
> >> >> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an
> >> excuse
> >> >> to
> >> >> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I
> >> >> initially
> >> >> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Mike West
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>