That's odd, Uxi's reply appears to have pulled forward some conversation
from Derek that I haven't seen yet.
Based on last night's show we must be coming up on Galileo. It will be
interesting to see if they take the easy/popular way out. Based on the
time and format I'm sure they won't be able to go into the detail of some
stuff I've read that shows the problems with Galileo's assertions and the
fact that Church scientists agreed with some of what he was saying and
that the conflict turned on finer points and personalities. Probably have
to be content with finer shades of phrasing than the typical, "Stupid
Church believed Bible literally," as that's a more recent and largely
American phenomenon.
DANGEROUS GROUND, STOP TREADING
> The show made him out to be a martyr for astronomy/science (similar to hiw
> Galileo's issues are usually misrepresented) when instead his cosmological
> ideas were more like astrology and based on occultist cosmology. Bruno was
> no scientist and never pretended to be.
>
> A viewer without any knowledge will come away with decent science, perhaps
> but a completely dishonest portrayal of Bruno as a man, as well as why he
> burned.
>
> - Sent from my SM-N900T
> On Apr 7, 2014 11:32 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> You looked of course at the writers and noticed that the people who
>> wrote
>> the original Cosmos wrote this one as well. Well except for Sagan but I
>> guess we'll have to excuse him for not putting his 2 cents worth into
>> this
>> one. J
>>
>>
>>
>> It's been a few weeks since I watched the first episode so I don't
>> recall
>> 100% what was said about Bruno but the essence of the individual was
>> there. Benedictine monk, heliocentric solar system, excommunicated by
>> the
>> church, thought some crazy things, wandered Europe, burned at that
>> stake.
>> The problem with History is it's written by the victors and being burned
>> at
>> the stake doesn't count as a victory in my mind. Was Bruno a weird guy
>> who
>> wrote a lot of crazy things? Yes. Did he come up with an idea that no
>> one
>> else had come up with? Yes.
>>
>>
>>
>> To be honest if the average person walked away from the episode learning
>> that the Earth goes around the sun and not the other way around... USA
>> I'm
>> looking in your direction here... I'd be happy.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://time.com/7809/1-in-4-americans-thinks-sun-orbits-earth/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* [
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Master Uxi
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 11:05 AM
>> *To:*
>> *Subject:* Re: [Traveller_TNE] Seth McFarlane
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I haven't watched since I saw the mendacious propaganda on Giordano
>> Bruno
>> and its complete misrepresentation of history. Definitely unworthy of
>> Sagan's series.
>>
>> - Sent from my SM-N900T
>>
>> On Apr 7, 2014 10:54 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Heheheh...
>>
>>
>>
>> I was as shocked as you when I saw he was a producer months back but
>> when
>> I saw an interview with NdGT about it made a lot more sense.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can't find the original interview but here's one with Seth and while I
>> don't have a ton of use for Family Guy you can't deny he's right about
>> the
>> lack of Science literacy in the world and if this makes people wonder
>> and
>> question things well I'm all for that.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://youtu.be/Ua5xqQpZp8Q
>>
>>
>>
>> My 7 year old is kind of on and off about the program, he's the poster
>> child for ADHD and when he's got the focus he's onboard for it but when
>> the
>> focus dwindles it's difficult for him to concentrate long enough to
>> connect
>> the thoughts. Oddly he cheers every time Albert Einstein and Stephen
>> Hawking are mentioned, although he doesn't really understand what
>> they're
>> about they're his hero's for some weird reason. I'll just go with it.
>>
>>
>>
>> It probably started when he was about 5 and I was watching something
>> about
>> the theory of relativity on the TV and after this long discussion on the
>> TV
>> that he really didn't seem to be following he looked at me and said.
>> "So
>> they're saying that an object in space bends and twists the fabric of
>> space
>> around it?"
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* [
>> ] *On Behalf Of *
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 10:36 AM
>> *To:*
>> *Subject:* RE: [Traveller_TNE] Re: TNE - Stellar failure
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated
>> the
>> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with the
>> horrible
>> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse
>> to
>> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I
>> initially
>> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
>>
>> I remember some early pre-TNE conversations where Frank saw the Hard
>> Times, post-Rebellion, eventually Collapse dynamic as an in-game "silver
>> lining" way to get rid of those worlds.
>>
>> Not an invalid thought, but you'd still have players and RC going to
>> them
>> to scrounge vacuum-preserved goodies. And there was also the dynamic
>> that
>> star change introduced into it. In addition to the Hi-Pop airless rocks
>> you also had the Hi-Pop worlds with atmospheres around stars with no
>> habitable zones, which worked out almost the same way, because you still
>> had to put the population under domes or underground to provide
>> artificial
>> heat. Fixing the stars would allow them to survive without technology,
>> but
>> would require the "Collapser" to remember to fix the star before
>> applying
>> "Collapsing." That is the way it ought to have been done. Maybe the
>> Gelinas article Alan mentioned in Challenge 77 goes into that, as I am
>> clearly leery of saying, "this is what we did, and we succeeded," where
>> that dynamic is involved.
>>
>> By the way, I had the TV on last night and watched some of the new
>> "Cosmos" series on Fox, and I realized what the root of all my problems
>> is.
>>
>> The executive producer of the new "Cosmos" is Seth McFarlane (Family
>> Guy,
>> American Dad, Cleveland Show).
>>
>> Clearly, everything that I thought I knew about anything is wrong. Just
>> wrong.
>>
>> > Ø Oh look, there's Alell. Never mind, DED, we found it.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Oh look, there is a big ol' screw-up on me.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The physical characteristics of Alell are 467. So, yes, indeed, it
>> should
>> > have had one of its stars increased to be F-K. I probably should have
>> made
>> > it have stellar data of "K7V M7V". I dunno why I screwed it up. Maybe
>> I
>> > thought two M7Vs in a tight formation would have produced enough heat?
>> > Regardless, I should have definitely bumped it. Maybe I could have
>> swapped
>> > it around with Boughene and make Boughene be an M7V, and Alell be a
>> K7V
>> > M7V
>> > so as to try and keep the distribution a little more like the
>> original.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated
>> the
>> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with the
>> horrible
>> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse
>> to
>> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I
>> initially
>> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Mike West
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
from Derek that I haven't seen yet.
Based on last night's show we must be coming up on Galileo. It will be
interesting to see if they take the easy/popular way out. Based on the
time and format I'm sure they won't be able to go into the detail of some
stuff I've read that shows the problems with Galileo's assertions and the
fact that Church scientists agreed with some of what he was saying and
that the conflict turned on finer points and personalities. Probably have
to be content with finer shades of phrasing than the typical, "Stupid
Church believed Bible literally," as that's a more recent and largely
American phenomenon.
DANGEROUS GROUND, STOP TREADING
> The show made him out to be a martyr for astronomy/science (similar to hiw
> Galileo's issues are usually misrepresented) when instead his cosmological
> ideas were more like astrology and based on occultist cosmology. Bruno was
> no scientist and never pretended to be.
>
> A viewer without any knowledge will come away with decent science, perhaps
> but a completely dishonest portrayal of Bruno as a man, as well as why he
> burned.
>
> - Sent from my SM-N900T
> On Apr 7, 2014 11:32 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> You looked of course at the writers and noticed that the people who
>> wrote
>> the original Cosmos wrote this one as well. Well except for Sagan but I
>> guess we'll have to excuse him for not putting his 2 cents worth into
>> this
>> one. J
>>
>>
>>
>> It's been a few weeks since I watched the first episode so I don't
>> recall
>> 100% what was said about Bruno but the essence of the individual was
>> there. Benedictine monk, heliocentric solar system, excommunicated by
>> the
>> church, thought some crazy things, wandered Europe, burned at that
>> stake.
>> The problem with History is it's written by the victors and being burned
>> at
>> the stake doesn't count as a victory in my mind. Was Bruno a weird guy
>> who
>> wrote a lot of crazy things? Yes. Did he come up with an idea that no
>> one
>> else had come up with? Yes.
>>
>>
>>
>> To be honest if the average person walked away from the episode learning
>> that the Earth goes around the sun and not the other way around... USA
>> I'm
>> looking in your direction here... I'd be happy.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://time.com/7809/1-in-4-americans-thinks-sun-orbits-earth/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* [
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Master Uxi
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 11:05 AM
>> *To:*
>> *Subject:* Re: [Traveller_TNE] Seth McFarlane
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I haven't watched since I saw the mendacious propaganda on Giordano
>> Bruno
>> and its complete misrepresentation of history. Definitely unworthy of
>> Sagan's series.
>>
>> - Sent from my SM-N900T
>>
>> On Apr 7, 2014 10:54 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Heheheh...
>>
>>
>>
>> I was as shocked as you when I saw he was a producer months back but
>> when
>> I saw an interview with NdGT about it made a lot more sense.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can't find the original interview but here's one with Seth and while I
>> don't have a ton of use for Family Guy you can't deny he's right about
>> the
>> lack of Science literacy in the world and if this makes people wonder
>> and
>> question things well I'm all for that.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://youtu.be/Ua5xqQpZp8Q
>>
>>
>>
>> My 7 year old is kind of on and off about the program, he's the poster
>> child for ADHD and when he's got the focus he's onboard for it but when
>> the
>> focus dwindles it's difficult for him to concentrate long enough to
>> connect
>> the thoughts. Oddly he cheers every time Albert Einstein and Stephen
>> Hawking are mentioned, although he doesn't really understand what
>> they're
>> about they're his hero's for some weird reason. I'll just go with it.
>>
>>
>>
>> It probably started when he was about 5 and I was watching something
>> about
>> the theory of relativity on the TV and after this long discussion on the
>> TV
>> that he really didn't seem to be following he looked at me and said.
>> "So
>> they're saying that an object in space bends and twists the fabric of
>> space
>> around it?"
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* [
>> ] *On Behalf Of *
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 10:36 AM
>> *To:*
>> *Subject:* RE: [Traveller_TNE] Re: TNE - Stellar failure
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated
>> the
>> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with the
>> horrible
>> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse
>> to
>> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I
>> initially
>> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
>>
>> I remember some early pre-TNE conversations where Frank saw the Hard
>> Times, post-Rebellion, eventually Collapse dynamic as an in-game "silver
>> lining" way to get rid of those worlds.
>>
>> Not an invalid thought, but you'd still have players and RC going to
>> them
>> to scrounge vacuum-preserved goodies. And there was also the dynamic
>> that
>> star change introduced into it. In addition to the Hi-Pop airless rocks
>> you also had the Hi-Pop worlds with atmospheres around stars with no
>> habitable zones, which worked out almost the same way, because you still
>> had to put the population under domes or underground to provide
>> artificial
>> heat. Fixing the stars would allow them to survive without technology,
>> but
>> would require the "Collapser" to remember to fix the star before
>> applying
>> "Collapsing." That is the way it ought to have been done. Maybe the
>> Gelinas article Alan mentioned in Challenge 77 goes into that, as I am
>> clearly leery of saying, "this is what we did, and we succeeded," where
>> that dynamic is involved.
>>
>> By the way, I had the TV on last night and watched some of the new
>> "Cosmos" series on Fox, and I realized what the root of all my problems
>> is.
>>
>> The executive producer of the new "Cosmos" is Seth McFarlane (Family
>> Guy,
>> American Dad, Cleveland Show).
>>
>> Clearly, everything that I thought I knew about anything is wrong. Just
>> wrong.
>>
>> > Ø Oh look, there's Alell. Never mind, DED, we found it.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Oh look, there is a big ol' screw-up on me.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The physical characteristics of Alell are 467. So, yes, indeed, it
>> should
>> > have had one of its stars increased to be F-K. I probably should have
>> made
>> > it have stellar data of "K7V M7V". I dunno why I screwed it up. Maybe
>> I
>> > thought two M7Vs in a tight formation would have produced enough heat?
>> > Regardless, I should have definitely bumped it. Maybe I could have
>> swapped
>> > it around with Boughene and make Boughene be an M7V, and Alell be a
>> K7V
>> > M7V
>> > so as to try and keep the distribution a little more like the
>> original.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated
>> the
>> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with the
>> horrible
>> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse
>> to
>> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I
>> initially
>> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Mike West
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>