I thought that there simply weren't enough flame wars and discussions about near C rocks on this channel. ð
Derek Stanley
Sent from my iPhone...
> On Apr 7, 2014, at 13:39, wrote:
>
> That's odd, Uxi's reply appears to have pulled forward some conversation
> from Derek that I haven't seen yet.
>
> Based on last night's show we must be coming up on Galileo. It will be
> interesting to see if they take the easy/popular way out. Based on the
> time and format I'm sure they won't be able to go into the detail of some
> stuff I've read that shows the problems with Galileo's assertions and the
> fact that Church scientists agreed with some of what he was saying and
> that the conflict turned on finer points and personalities. Probably have
> to be content with finer shades of phrasing than the typical, "Stupid
> Church believed Bible literally," as that's a more recent and largely
> American phenomenon.
>
> DANGEROUS GROUND, STOP TREADING
>
> > The show made him out to be a martyr for astronomy/science (similar to hiw
> > Galileo's issues are usually misrepresented) when instead his cosmological
> > ideas were more like astrology and based on occultist cosmology. Bruno was
> > no scientist and never pretended to be.
> >
> > A viewer without any knowledge will come away with decent science, perhaps
> > but a completely dishonest portrayal of Bruno as a man, as well as why he
> > burned.
> >
> > - Sent from my SM-N900T
> > On Apr 7, 2014 11:32 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> You looked of course at the writers and noticed that the people who
> >> wrote
> >> the original Cosmos wrote this one as well. Well except for Sagan but I
> >> guess we'll have to excuse him for not putting his 2 cents worth into
> >> this
> >> one. J
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> It's been a few weeks since I watched the first episode so I don't
> >> recall
> >> 100% what was said about Bruno but the essence of the individual was
> >> there. Benedictine monk, heliocentric solar system, excommunicated by
> >> the
> >> church, thought some crazy things, wandered Europe, burned at that
> >> stake.
> >> The problem with History is it's written by the victors and being burned
> >> at
> >> the stake doesn't count as a victory in my mind. Was Bruno a weird guy
> >> who
> >> wrote a lot of crazy things? Yes. Did he come up with an idea that no
> >> one
> >> else had come up with? Yes.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> To be honest if the average person walked away from the episode learning
> >> that the Earth goes around the sun and not the other way around... USA
> >> I'm
> >> looking in your direction here... I'd be happy.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://time.com/7809/1-in-4-americans-thinks-sun-orbits-earth/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* [
> >> ] *On Behalf Of *Master Uxi
> >> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 11:05 AM
> >> *To:*
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Traveller_TNE] Seth McFarlane
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I haven't watched since I saw the mendacious propaganda on Giordano
> >> Bruno
> >> and its complete misrepresentation of history. Definitely unworthy of
> >> Sagan's series.
> >>
> >> - Sent from my SM-N900T
> >>
> >> On Apr 7, 2014 10:54 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Heheheh...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I was as shocked as you when I saw he was a producer months back but
> >> when
> >> I saw an interview with NdGT about it made a lot more sense.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Can't find the original interview but here's one with Seth and while I
> >> don't have a ton of use for Family Guy you can't deny he's right about
> >> the
> >> lack of Science literacy in the world and if this makes people wonder
> >> and
> >> question things well I'm all for that.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://youtu.be/Ua5xqQpZp8Q
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> My 7 year old is kind of on and off about the program, he's the poster
> >> child for ADHD and when he's got the focus he's onboard for it but when
> >> the
> >> focus dwindles it's difficult for him to concentrate long enough to
> >> connect
> >> the thoughts. Oddly he cheers every time Albert Einstein and Stephen
> >> Hawking are mentioned, although he doesn't really understand what
> >> they're
> >> about they're his hero's for some weird reason. I'll just go with it.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> It probably started when he was about 5 and I was watching something
> >> about
> >> the theory of relativity on the TV and after this long discussion on the
> >> TV
> >> that he really didn't seem to be following he looked at me and said.
> >> "So
> >> they're saying that an object in space bends and twists the fabric of
> >> space
> >> around it?"
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* [
> >> ] *On Behalf Of *
> >> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 10:36 AM
> >> *To:*
> >> *Subject:* RE: [Traveller_TNE] Re: TNE - Stellar failure
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated
> >> the
> >> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with the
> >> horrible
> >> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse
> >> to
> >> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I
> >> initially
> >> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
> >>
> >> I remember some early pre-TNE conversations where Frank saw the Hard
> >> Times, post-Rebellion, eventually Collapse dynamic as an in-game "silver
> >> lining" way to get rid of those worlds.
> >>
> >> Not an invalid thought, but you'd still have players and RC going to
> >> them
> >> to scrounge vacuum-preserved goodies. And there was also the dynamic
> >> that
> >> star change introduced into it. In addition to the Hi-Pop airless rocks
> >> you also had the Hi-Pop worlds with atmospheres around stars with no
> >> habitable zones, which worked out almost the same way, because you still
> >> had to put the population under domes or underground to provide
> >> artificial
> >> heat. Fixing the stars would allow them to survive without technology,
> >> but
> >> would require the "Collapser" to remember to fix the star before
> >> applying
> >> "Collapsing." That is the way it ought to have been done. Maybe the
> >> Gelinas article Alan mentioned in Challenge 77 goes into that, as I am
> >> clearly leery of saying, "this is what we did, and we succeeded," where
> >> that dynamic is involved.
> >>
> >> By the way, I had the TV on last night and watched some of the new
> >> "Cosmos" series on Fox, and I realized what the root of all my problems
> >> is.
> >>
> >> The executive producer of the new "Cosmos" is Seth McFarlane (Family
> >> Guy,
> >> American Dad, Cleveland Show).
> >>
> >> Clearly, everything that I thought I knew about anything is wrong. Just
> >> wrong.
> >>
> >> > Ø Oh look, there's Alell. Never mind, DED, we found it.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Oh look, there is a big ol' screw-up on me.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > The physical characteristics of Alell are 467. So, yes, indeed, it
> >> should
> >> > have had one of its stars increased to be F-K. I probably should have
> >> made
> >> > it have stellar data of "K7V M7V". I dunno why I screwed it up. Maybe
> >> I
> >> > thought two M7Vs in a tight formation would have produced enough heat?
> >> > Regardless, I should have definitely bumped it. Maybe I could have
> >> swapped
> >> > it around with Boughene and make Boughene be an M7V, and Alell be a
> >> K7V
> >> > M7V
> >> > so as to try and keep the distribution a little more like the
> >> original.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated
> >> the
> >> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with the
> >> horrible
> >> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse
> >> to
> >> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I
> >> initially
> >> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Mike West
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
Derek Stanley
Sent from my iPhone...
> On Apr 7, 2014, at 13:39, wrote:
>
> That's odd, Uxi's reply appears to have pulled forward some conversation
> from Derek that I haven't seen yet.
>
> Based on last night's show we must be coming up on Galileo. It will be
> interesting to see if they take the easy/popular way out. Based on the
> time and format I'm sure they won't be able to go into the detail of some
> stuff I've read that shows the problems with Galileo's assertions and the
> fact that Church scientists agreed with some of what he was saying and
> that the conflict turned on finer points and personalities. Probably have
> to be content with finer shades of phrasing than the typical, "Stupid
> Church believed Bible literally," as that's a more recent and largely
> American phenomenon.
>
> DANGEROUS GROUND, STOP TREADING
>
> > The show made him out to be a martyr for astronomy/science (similar to hiw
> > Galileo's issues are usually misrepresented) when instead his cosmological
> > ideas were more like astrology and based on occultist cosmology. Bruno was
> > no scientist and never pretended to be.
> >
> > A viewer without any knowledge will come away with decent science, perhaps
> > but a completely dishonest portrayal of Bruno as a man, as well as why he
> > burned.
> >
> > - Sent from my SM-N900T
> > On Apr 7, 2014 11:32 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> You looked of course at the writers and noticed that the people who
> >> wrote
> >> the original Cosmos wrote this one as well. Well except for Sagan but I
> >> guess we'll have to excuse him for not putting his 2 cents worth into
> >> this
> >> one. J
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> It's been a few weeks since I watched the first episode so I don't
> >> recall
> >> 100% what was said about Bruno but the essence of the individual was
> >> there. Benedictine monk, heliocentric solar system, excommunicated by
> >> the
> >> church, thought some crazy things, wandered Europe, burned at that
> >> stake.
> >> The problem with History is it's written by the victors and being burned
> >> at
> >> the stake doesn't count as a victory in my mind. Was Bruno a weird guy
> >> who
> >> wrote a lot of crazy things? Yes. Did he come up with an idea that no
> >> one
> >> else had come up with? Yes.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> To be honest if the average person walked away from the episode learning
> >> that the Earth goes around the sun and not the other way around... USA
> >> I'm
> >> looking in your direction here... I'd be happy.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://time.com/7809/1-in-4-americans-thinks-sun-orbits-earth/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* [
> >> ] *On Behalf Of *Master Uxi
> >> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 11:05 AM
> >> *To:*
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Traveller_TNE] Seth McFarlane
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I haven't watched since I saw the mendacious propaganda on Giordano
> >> Bruno
> >> and its complete misrepresentation of history. Definitely unworthy of
> >> Sagan's series.
> >>
> >> - Sent from my SM-N900T
> >>
> >> On Apr 7, 2014 10:54 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Heheheh...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I was as shocked as you when I saw he was a producer months back but
> >> when
> >> I saw an interview with NdGT about it made a lot more sense.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Can't find the original interview but here's one with Seth and while I
> >> don't have a ton of use for Family Guy you can't deny he's right about
> >> the
> >> lack of Science literacy in the world and if this makes people wonder
> >> and
> >> question things well I'm all for that.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://youtu.be/Ua5xqQpZp8Q
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> My 7 year old is kind of on and off about the program, he's the poster
> >> child for ADHD and when he's got the focus he's onboard for it but when
> >> the
> >> focus dwindles it's difficult for him to concentrate long enough to
> >> connect
> >> the thoughts. Oddly he cheers every time Albert Einstein and Stephen
> >> Hawking are mentioned, although he doesn't really understand what
> >> they're
> >> about they're his hero's for some weird reason. I'll just go with it.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> It probably started when he was about 5 and I was watching something
> >> about
> >> the theory of relativity on the TV and after this long discussion on the
> >> TV
> >> that he really didn't seem to be following he looked at me and said.
> >> "So
> >> they're saying that an object in space bends and twists the fabric of
> >> space
> >> around it?"
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* [
> >> ] *On Behalf Of *
> >> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 10:36 AM
> >> *To:*
> >> *Subject:* RE: [Traveller_TNE] Re: TNE - Stellar failure
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated
> >> the
> >> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with the
> >> horrible
> >> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse
> >> to
> >> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I
> >> initially
> >> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
> >>
> >> I remember some early pre-TNE conversations where Frank saw the Hard
> >> Times, post-Rebellion, eventually Collapse dynamic as an in-game "silver
> >> lining" way to get rid of those worlds.
> >>
> >> Not an invalid thought, but you'd still have players and RC going to
> >> them
> >> to scrounge vacuum-preserved goodies. And there was also the dynamic
> >> that
> >> star change introduced into it. In addition to the Hi-Pop airless rocks
> >> you also had the Hi-Pop worlds with atmospheres around stars with no
> >> habitable zones, which worked out almost the same way, because you still
> >> had to put the population under domes or underground to provide
> >> artificial
> >> heat. Fixing the stars would allow them to survive without technology,
> >> but
> >> would require the "Collapser" to remember to fix the star before
> >> applying
> >> "Collapsing." That is the way it ought to have been done. Maybe the
> >> Gelinas article Alan mentioned in Challenge 77 goes into that, as I am
> >> clearly leery of saying, "this is what we did, and we succeeded," where
> >> that dynamic is involved.
> >>
> >> By the way, I had the TV on last night and watched some of the new
> >> "Cosmos" series on Fox, and I realized what the root of all my problems
> >> is.
> >>
> >> The executive producer of the new "Cosmos" is Seth McFarlane (Family
> >> Guy,
> >> American Dad, Cleveland Show).
> >>
> >> Clearly, everything that I thought I knew about anything is wrong. Just
> >> wrong.
> >>
> >> > Ø Oh look, there's Alell. Never mind, DED, we found it.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Oh look, there is a big ol' screw-up on me.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > The physical characteristics of Alell are 467. So, yes, indeed, it
> >> should
> >> > have had one of its stars increased to be F-K. I probably should have
> >> made
> >> > it have stellar data of "K7V M7V". I dunno why I screwed it up. Maybe
> >> I
> >> > thought two M7Vs in a tight formation would have produced enough heat?
> >> > Regardless, I should have definitely bumped it. Maybe I could have
> >> swapped
> >> > it around with Boughene and make Boughene be an M7V, and Alell be a
> >> K7V
> >> > M7V
> >> > so as to try and keep the distribution a little more like the
> >> original.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank hated
> >> the
> >> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with the
> >> horrible
> >> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an excuse
> >> to
> >> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I
> >> initially
> >> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Mike West
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>