Remember, though, Survival Margin said that military ships didn't "turn
off" their transponders, they just had a "mute." They were always
"listening" and thus subject to infection.
I agree, though, it won't be as thorough and severe as in the Imperium, but
out will still spread. I pondered this thinking of the spread of Virus and
the Collapse in the Solomani Confederation.
For polities outside the Imperium:
1) not every ship is going to have a Deyo transponder, just those that need
to cross the border. I would expect close to zero military ships, and
certainly none of the big ones.
2) Survival Margin also says that even Dulinor's flagship had circumvented
data security measures at Omicron to try to get and then interpret the
data. Ergo that's going to be far less likely outside those rather specific
circumstances.
3) there are definitely other vectors and Virus will still spread, but I'd
argue it's fairly high probability once the interface ships come back in
and begin to spread, data security measures will tighten.
Not enough, by any means, and there will probably be some placebo and false
confidence inspired but the truly paranoid (and highly disciplined security
conscious) will be able to avoid to some degree as the nature of the threat
is witnessed and observed.
The infrastructure problem will still be unavoidable in ultimate collapse,
though pockets are likely to form that first refuse data/computer
connections and then work on countermeasures.
IMTU, the Knights of St George got to that step (along with certain
elements of the Turin Consolidation military and intel), but to little/late
to avoid Collapse.
Those at that state then get to face Vampires doing it the hard way...
___
>From my T989
On Oct 24, 2012 7:40 AM, "John Potter" <> wrote:
> **
>
>
> I think the assumtion that every ship returning is infected is simply off
> the mark. Like any pandemic yes a lot will be infected but not everyone.
> Simply by statistical chance 'will' get infected but not all.
>
> The virus is a way to reset civilization back to a frontier state in the
> traveller universe. Each game master needs to make a decision on what
> seems plausible for their setting.
>
> 1. Ships will return infected.
> 2. Ships will return uninfected.
>
> The timing and causality of these two things are what causes regions to be
> shaped post outbreak.
>
> I would also disagree with the sentiment that 'only military' crewed
> vessels can 'turn off' their transponders. Any sufficiently technical
> engineer should have the knowledge to stop, start, or manipulate the
> transponder hardware as needed because after all these same individuals can
> maintain and repair complex machinery found aboard a starship after all.
>
> This technique is arguably even more important for crews/ships
> participating in 'raiding'. .
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 6:43 AM, Rupert Boleyn <>wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> On 24/10/2012 19:26, Eamon Watters wrote:
>>
>> > 6. Vargr ships themselves. Going by the Vargr ships in TNE, the ones
>> > engaged in raiding will likely be low-jump - either merchants or
>> > paramilitary. There will be some military vessels too - but I don't
>> > think there will be too many. If an infected ship turns for home then
>> > it is going to take many jumps to get there - adding to the time home
>> > has to prepare (as news leaks out) and adding to the chances that
>> > something (virus or breakdown) will eliminate the ship as a vector.
>>
>> News breaks out how? The Deyo transponders are not the only way Virus
>> transfers. It gets in all the systems, and those ships bringing the news
>> are also going to be infected. They talk to people to warn them - and
>> infect them at the same time. And so it goes...
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If the world was fair then every bad thing that has ever happened to you
> would have been deserved.
>
>
off" their transponders, they just had a "mute." They were always
"listening" and thus subject to infection.
I agree, though, it won't be as thorough and severe as in the Imperium, but
out will still spread. I pondered this thinking of the spread of Virus and
the Collapse in the Solomani Confederation.
For polities outside the Imperium:
1) not every ship is going to have a Deyo transponder, just those that need
to cross the border. I would expect close to zero military ships, and
certainly none of the big ones.
2) Survival Margin also says that even Dulinor's flagship had circumvented
data security measures at Omicron to try to get and then interpret the
data. Ergo that's going to be far less likely outside those rather specific
circumstances.
3) there are definitely other vectors and Virus will still spread, but I'd
argue it's fairly high probability once the interface ships come back in
and begin to spread, data security measures will tighten.
Not enough, by any means, and there will probably be some placebo and false
confidence inspired but the truly paranoid (and highly disciplined security
conscious) will be able to avoid to some degree as the nature of the threat
is witnessed and observed.
The infrastructure problem will still be unavoidable in ultimate collapse,
though pockets are likely to form that first refuse data/computer
connections and then work on countermeasures.
IMTU, the Knights of St George got to that step (along with certain
elements of the Turin Consolidation military and intel), but to little/late
to avoid Collapse.
Those at that state then get to face Vampires doing it the hard way...
___
>From my T989
On Oct 24, 2012 7:40 AM, "John Potter" <> wrote:
> **
>
>
> I think the assumtion that every ship returning is infected is simply off
> the mark. Like any pandemic yes a lot will be infected but not everyone.
> Simply by statistical chance 'will' get infected but not all.
>
> The virus is a way to reset civilization back to a frontier state in the
> traveller universe. Each game master needs to make a decision on what
> seems plausible for their setting.
>
> 1. Ships will return infected.
> 2. Ships will return uninfected.
>
> The timing and causality of these two things are what causes regions to be
> shaped post outbreak.
>
> I would also disagree with the sentiment that 'only military' crewed
> vessels can 'turn off' their transponders. Any sufficiently technical
> engineer should have the knowledge to stop, start, or manipulate the
> transponder hardware as needed because after all these same individuals can
> maintain and repair complex machinery found aboard a starship after all.
>
> This technique is arguably even more important for crews/ships
> participating in 'raiding'. .
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 6:43 AM, Rupert Boleyn <>wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> On 24/10/2012 19:26, Eamon Watters wrote:
>>
>> > 6. Vargr ships themselves. Going by the Vargr ships in TNE, the ones
>> > engaged in raiding will likely be low-jump - either merchants or
>> > paramilitary. There will be some military vessels too - but I don't
>> > think there will be too many. If an infected ship turns for home then
>> > it is going to take many jumps to get there - adding to the time home
>> > has to prepare (as news leaks out) and adding to the chances that
>> > something (virus or breakdown) will eliminate the ship as a vector.
>>
>> News breaks out how? The Deyo transponders are not the only way Virus
>> transfers. It gets in all the systems, and those ships bringing the news
>> are also going to be infected. They talk to people to warn them - and
>> infect them at the same time. And so it goes...
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If the world was fair then every bad thing that has ever happened to you
> would have been deserved.
>
>