Has anyone gone through an analysis for just how many batrons,croutons, etc were present in 3I?
Just curious for how big a standing and reserve navy an 11,000 system empire could support?
Cheers,
Quigg
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On Jul 13, 2012, at 0:48, Master Uxi <> wrote:
> I actually did find a use for Shattered Ships of the Third Imperium once upon a time. While it's designs were worthless for multiple reasons (not the least of which was the MT system, but also the pure incoherence of many of them). I didn't even really like the art... but it's prose on the evolution of the capital ships in the 3I still resonates as a silver lining on an otherwise dark cloud. Combined with CT Supplement 9 and TNE's Battle Rider, the rough piece of charcoal is capable of some small amount of polish. With the outline of the lineage from Shattered Ships of the Imperium, I was able to conjecture some nice ideas (I'm rather fond of the Panthera and have ideas for using them coming out of the Black Curtain with PO'ed Cyber-Centaurs and their Meta-identity Eater Overlords.
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> Using CT Supplement 9, Supplement 5, MT Fighting Ships of the Shattered Imperium, and TNE Battle Rider
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> Third Imperium Capital Ships
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> BB-11. 300kt, J2G2. Sylean Federation Federation-class Battleship from Long Night. No intact examples lasted beyond the First Civil War
> BB-12. 300kt, J3G3. Upgrade of BB-11 to Imperium-class and renown as "mothership" of Third Imperium in use during reign of Cleon I through the Pacification Campaigns and until the Vargr Campaigns Many rotated to reserve fleets or member worlds and more than a few converted to museums or monuments to the early wars of the Third Imperium. Cleon's personal flagship was kept in vintage condition until it was destroyed in the Civil War when one of the Barrack's Emperors used it as his flagship and was killed in it's destruction.
> BB-13. 300kt, J3G3. Imperator-class early Third Imperium upgrade of the BB-12 and main capital ship through Civil War Hybrid TL/spinal/weapons upgrades of the original Sylean Fed battleship. Very few remaining in service as of Rebellion and those almost entirely in Depot reserve fleets. Most were decomissioned and destroyed in weapons testings though a couple museum ships were preserved in the Sylean Federation.
> BI-13. 700kt, J4G4. Original Basileus-class designed as supership . Intended to replaced BB-13/BB-12 though due to the enormous expense, most sectors never saw more than one or two BatRons. Served through Third Frontier War. Most were upgraded/refitted to BI-14 though a few isolated examples remain in service toward the Imperial Core, where a few high nobles/admirals strut around in these due to high sentimental value. They're mostly archaic though still can serve certain roles well enough if not as comfortably by its crew. None remained Behind the Claw.
> BL-13 lite. 200kt, J3G2. Voroshilief-class. Cost effective alternative to completely replacing BB-12 with BI-13. Retired by end of Civil War, where they did not perform well and were replaced with the BT/R-14 system.
> BT/R-14 std. 700k/30k J3G2/!JG5 Triumph-class Tender with 6x Gallant-class Riders to replace BB-13 in face of design failures of Voroshilief. Primary Imperial capital ship of the Solomani Rim War. Many transferred to Depot reserve fleets until they were called up as the BT/R-15 were decimanted in the Rebellion
> BI-14 dread. 700kt, J4G5. Kaiser-class refit/upgrade of BI-13. Most BatRon were sent to the Depot mothball fleets, though a few were decomissioned to museum ships and/or destroyed in weapons testing. One functional ship kept at Depot/Deneb, which was reactivated and used as Norris' flagship during Rebellion, cannibilizing the rest of the squadron for repair parts. Rest of the BatRon restored for service in the Quarantine during the Regency.
> BL-14 lite. 200kt, J4G5. Original Kokirrak and main battleship of late TL14 Third Imperium
> BH-14 heavy. 500kt J4G5 - Panthera-class. Similar to later Tigress but without the fighter complement and a much smaller rear superstructure. Not as widely procured and more of a doctrine test platform based on lessons learned from BI-13 and BB-13, though several BatRon were completed and kept as a reaction force for the Emperor to send from Capital or Depot/Core. The Pantheras had weapons and systems upgraded and were largely test beds for the evolution of the full TL15 Tigress. These hybrid Panthera BatRons remained in service in Lucan's Imperium through the Rebellion.
> BT/R-15 std. 1M dton J3G2 - Cleon-class Tender with 4x Admiral-class 50k dton Riders. Primary capital ship of the Third Imperium through the Rebellion
> BTL/RL-15 light 400kdt Lurenti-class Tender with 7x Nolikian-class 20k dton Riders. Fleet doctrine test of light battle-riders and a more cost effective tender. Mostly seen on the periphery of the Third Imperium as a cheaper alternative to the BT/R-15.
> BI-15 dread. 700kdt, J4G6. New Sylea-class design as Domain command ship replacing the Kokirrak for use of highest nobles (Archdukes and/or Domain Grand Admirals). None in Marches/DoD/Regency. Dulinor's flagship Clarion is the most famous example in Imperial history
> BL-15 lite. 200kdt, J4G6 Kokirrak-class and refit/upgrade of BL-14 though not widely procured
> BM-15 missile. 200kdt J4G6. TL15 Plankwell-class and main battleship of TL15 Third Imperium
> BB-15 heavy. 500kdt, J4G6. Tigress-class mature TL15 intended to replace both Kokirrak and Plankwells. Much more widespread throughout the Imperium, even making it on the Solomani Rim and Spinward Marches, though never proliferated as widespread as the Plankwell before Rebellion
> BZ-15 proto. 700/850kdt J4G6. Prototype-built to Sylea-class chassis and carrying 3x 50k dton Admiral battle-riders though the first prototype also demonstrated BT/R-14 30k dton Gallant's.
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Just curious for how big a standing and reserve navy an 11,000 system empire could support?
Cheers,
Quigg
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 13, 2012, at 0:48, Master Uxi <> wrote:
> I actually did find a use for Shattered Ships of the Third Imperium once upon a time. While it's designs were worthless for multiple reasons (not the least of which was the MT system, but also the pure incoherence of many of them). I didn't even really like the art... but it's prose on the evolution of the capital ships in the 3I still resonates as a silver lining on an otherwise dark cloud. Combined with CT Supplement 9 and TNE's Battle Rider, the rough piece of charcoal is capable of some small amount of polish. With the outline of the lineage from Shattered Ships of the Imperium, I was able to conjecture some nice ideas (I'm rather fond of the Panthera and have ideas for using them coming out of the Black Curtain with PO'ed Cyber-Centaurs and their Meta-identity Eater Overlords.
>
>
> Using CT Supplement 9, Supplement 5, MT Fighting Ships of the Shattered Imperium, and TNE Battle Rider
>
> Third Imperium Capital Ships
>
> BB-11. 300kt, J2G2. Sylean Federation Federation-class Battleship from Long Night. No intact examples lasted beyond the First Civil War
> BB-12. 300kt, J3G3. Upgrade of BB-11 to Imperium-class and renown as "mothership" of Third Imperium in use during reign of Cleon I through the Pacification Campaigns and until the Vargr Campaigns Many rotated to reserve fleets or member worlds and more than a few converted to museums or monuments to the early wars of the Third Imperium. Cleon's personal flagship was kept in vintage condition until it was destroyed in the Civil War when one of the Barrack's Emperors used it as his flagship and was killed in it's destruction.
> BB-13. 300kt, J3G3. Imperator-class early Third Imperium upgrade of the BB-12 and main capital ship through Civil War Hybrid TL/spinal/weapons upgrades of the original Sylean Fed battleship. Very few remaining in service as of Rebellion and those almost entirely in Depot reserve fleets. Most were decomissioned and destroyed in weapons testings though a couple museum ships were preserved in the Sylean Federation.
> BI-13. 700kt, J4G4. Original Basileus-class designed as supership . Intended to replaced BB-13/BB-12 though due to the enormous expense, most sectors never saw more than one or two BatRons. Served through Third Frontier War. Most were upgraded/refitted to BI-14 though a few isolated examples remain in service toward the Imperial Core, where a few high nobles/admirals strut around in these due to high sentimental value. They're mostly archaic though still can serve certain roles well enough if not as comfortably by its crew. None remained Behind the Claw.
> BL-13 lite. 200kt, J3G2. Voroshilief-class. Cost effective alternative to completely replacing BB-12 with BI-13. Retired by end of Civil War, where they did not perform well and were replaced with the BT/R-14 system.
> BT/R-14 std. 700k/30k J3G2/!JG5 Triumph-class Tender with 6x Gallant-class Riders to replace BB-13 in face of design failures of Voroshilief. Primary Imperial capital ship of the Solomani Rim War. Many transferred to Depot reserve fleets until they were called up as the BT/R-15 were decimanted in the Rebellion
> BI-14 dread. 700kt, J4G5. Kaiser-class refit/upgrade of BI-13. Most BatRon were sent to the Depot mothball fleets, though a few were decomissioned to museum ships and/or destroyed in weapons testing. One functional ship kept at Depot/Deneb, which was reactivated and used as Norris' flagship during Rebellion, cannibilizing the rest of the squadron for repair parts. Rest of the BatRon restored for service in the Quarantine during the Regency.
> BL-14 lite. 200kt, J4G5. Original Kokirrak and main battleship of late TL14 Third Imperium
> BH-14 heavy. 500kt J4G5 - Panthera-class. Similar to later Tigress but without the fighter complement and a much smaller rear superstructure. Not as widely procured and more of a doctrine test platform based on lessons learned from BI-13 and BB-13, though several BatRon were completed and kept as a reaction force for the Emperor to send from Capital or Depot/Core. The Pantheras had weapons and systems upgraded and were largely test beds for the evolution of the full TL15 Tigress. These hybrid Panthera BatRons remained in service in Lucan's Imperium through the Rebellion.
> BT/R-15 std. 1M dton J3G2 - Cleon-class Tender with 4x Admiral-class 50k dton Riders. Primary capital ship of the Third Imperium through the Rebellion
> BTL/RL-15 light 400kdt Lurenti-class Tender with 7x Nolikian-class 20k dton Riders. Fleet doctrine test of light battle-riders and a more cost effective tender. Mostly seen on the periphery of the Third Imperium as a cheaper alternative to the BT/R-15.
> BI-15 dread. 700kdt, J4G6. New Sylea-class design as Domain command ship replacing the Kokirrak for use of highest nobles (Archdukes and/or Domain Grand Admirals). None in Marches/DoD/Regency. Dulinor's flagship Clarion is the most famous example in Imperial history
> BL-15 lite. 200kdt, J4G6 Kokirrak-class and refit/upgrade of BL-14 though not widely procured
> BM-15 missile. 200kdt J4G6. TL15 Plankwell-class and main battleship of TL15 Third Imperium
> BB-15 heavy. 500kdt, J4G6. Tigress-class mature TL15 intended to replace both Kokirrak and Plankwells. Much more widespread throughout the Imperium, even making it on the Solomani Rim and Spinward Marches, though never proliferated as widespread as the Plankwell before Rebellion
> BZ-15 proto. 700/850kdt J4G6. Prototype-built to Sylea-class chassis and carrying 3x 50k dton Admiral battle-riders though the first prototype also demonstrated BT/R-14 30k dton Gallant's.
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