Richard--
I would ABSOLUTELY say that your Kinunir is one of the originals
mentioned. It has to be because it is so cool. Original mag wheels,
captain's leather seat. Go down and look for the dedication plaque on the
keelplate, I guarantee it will back you up.
Dave
> Anthony
>
> Agree wit Dave, the Kinuir is a useful design for piracy supression and
> for putting down minor fires - 35 marines, and APC and a pinnace are very
> useful for stamping on minor brushfires. I imagine the AI system was
> severely toned down either on the loss of the Kinuir or when she was found
> - the library data already said the AI was tempremental.
>
> With the virus - AI turned off.
>
> As for Solee - they have 1 kinuir - I always thought it was the one given
> to the vegans by the emperess. With the wholesale retreat of imperial
> forces from the solomani rim - it might have ended up here. Or it got
> captured by the Solomani and then re-used as the war got into its
> meat-grinder phase. That area of Diaspora was under the control of
> solomani liberal wing - so they might have ended up with it.
>
> Cheers
> Richard
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> Antony--
>
> First, check out this note at the bottom of your message:
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> That is such a lie, you said "virus" two or three times.
>
> > Would the Regency have still had the remaining Kinunirs in service in
> the
> > post virus era given that in the Regency at least they were a none
> > standard
> > design.
>
> The Kinunirs were established as being something of a "dog" of a design
> in
> Adventure 1, already being taken out of service. However, the Regency is
> re-using everything it can get its hands on, so any Kinunirs lying
> around
> in mothballs would be refurbished and re-used in some fashion. However,
> as
> part of the refurbishing, the first thing to be improved would be
> electronics, so I would not say that limited AI system would still be in
> them.
>
> > I was wondering on the technology behind the "limited" AI, based
> > on
> > when they were built 1074-1089 these would be very old ships of a non
> > standard design with a non Cymbeline origin (presumably) AI. Was this
> > developed in the Spinward Marches - certainly a project for one of the
> > Imperial Research facilities. What else was this AI used on and were
> there
> > any other types.
>
> My clear sense of Traveller was that Imperial Navy starships were
> largely
> manufactured locally, perhaps to a common design, for obvious reasons.
> And
> I think that Kinunir gave the shipyards that all were built in, and all
> were in SM, so yes, treat all of that as local home-grown technology.
>
> Me recollection is that the AI was deemed unsuccessful, and so was
> probably not re-used. However, Traveller was very skittish about ever
> admitting that anything was "truly" AI or not, so the word "limited AI"
> was tossed around quite a bit without really meaning anything, like
> people
> lying about their age. Google and that lady's voice on the new iPhone
> that
> that putz Malkovich is in love with are "limited AI" by the standards of
> 1980.
>
> > I also vaguely remember that the Solee had some vessels of this type,
> > though
> > looking at the TNE version the black globe was gone (makes sense) and
> they
> > seemed underarmed to me. These were presumably patterned on the one
> given
> > to
> > the Vegans. But why would the imperium start building this odd vessel
> in
> > this area given its troubled history in the Spinward Marches?
>
> I think that's two questions:
>
> 1. Solee use. Although the ships were dogs, they were an established
> design that would take you back and create a connection with the
> original
> CT adventure, so were used for that reason. Anytime we could make a
> reference back to our roots, we liked to do that. Arrival Vengeance was
> another example. As I recall, the AHLs were no great shakes as High
> Guard
> designs, but there were deckplans, dammit!
>
> 2. Why did they build Kinunirs for the Vegans? Given my point about
> starships being built locally, that doesn't make a lot of sense. There
> probably would have been a better local design down there, and it would
> have taken longer to ship the plans by Xboat to Sol Rim then just to
> build
> the local standard design. But Kinunir was written before my time.
> Probably the reasoning is that some corrupt industrialist-noble paid off
> some other corrupt noble-diplomat paid off some other corrupt
> noble-naval
> officer to get the Kinunirs built down there for probably eighteen times
> what they should have cost, and had drinks and cigars afterwards.
>
> > Then given the self-preservation instinct found in the malfunctioning
> AI
> > on
> > Kinunir it may have helped in the development of both the virus
> inserted
> > in
> > Averys AHL and other anti-viral weaponry developed by the Regency.
>
> I agree that the local RS experience in the Regency with things like
> that
> are directly related to how they were able to "breed" "tame" versions of
> Virus.
>
> > This is one of the things I liked about TNE you could always come up
> with
> > something from the backstories and tie them together in interesting
> ways.
>
> Yes, even if the older things were mistakes, they could be helpful that
> way.
>
> > Antony
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