verrrry interesting, as for keeping it a sea going vessel with attachments don't see why not
NBC warfare designs allow for sealing the ship, they'd have to be beefed up as the ship isn't a submarine but there were any number of novels, anime and the like that have a naval ship being converted to a space ship. Yamato (BB) Macros series (CVNs) etc so this has precedent in the fictional genre
regards, T
--- On Sun, 11/28/10, allen carpenter <> wrote:
From: allen carpenter <>
Subject: Re: [Traveller_TNE] combat support ships and wilds support ships
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Date: Sunday, November 28, 2010, 12:19 AM
one old idea from WW2 was the LST. Tank Landing Ship
an actual full sized cargo ship designed specifically to land vehicles and troops on beaches. but was also a fully functional freighter as well and with internal 'drop tanks' was also a functional tanker.
with the right loadout. 1 of these vessels probably COULD assemble a forward base for company sized military action, a semi permanent spaceport.
2 could get a bare bones type c starport running. (assuming 20 seabees in low berth or somesuch.)
it was only lightly armed for anti aircraft defense.
in fact, I found a link to share,'
very strange 8-) a 'broken wreck' new carissa had to have its bow section towed out to sea. scuttling charges didn't sink it. it took a combination of a navy torpedo and an unspecified number of rounds from a destroyers 5 inch guns. two hours to sink a wreck 8=) WOW!
of course, historically speaking LST class was phenomenally tough. tough enough to carry a 285 ton vehicle even on the top deck in the roughest seas of the pacific or atlantic.
http://www.cargolaw.com/New_Carissa_Ship_Disaster.html
a fictional novel that made me aware of these wee beasties was called "the 90 and 9"
I thinks I have to break out lahtinens ship builder now 8-)
anyone mind if I keep the original hull design in mind? as in it is a sea going ship with AG and heplars. hmmmmm, could that be considered stealth by misdirection? hide in plain sight as a lower tech version of what you are?
not an original idea of course, star blazers was way ahead of me.
On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Tim O'Reilly <> wrote:
looking at your idea for a pod carrier and the class C port, pretty good idea -
another idea that I'm stealing from a Renegade Legion novel is what they called a MOBASTAT it's a pod with the crew and facilities to handle a very large number of fighters no JD, minimal MD, fission power system cause that doesn't require refueling often etc ... in the novel it carried a full wing of fighters (360 of them) and about 1,200 personel (crews and maintenance, etc) ... may have to scale down to traveller specs but someone with the books could look at it.
regards, T
--- On Sat, 11/27/10, roger <> wrote:
From: roger <>
Subject: [Traveller_TNE] combat support ships and wilds support ships
To:
Date: Saturday, November 27, 2010, 3:20 PM
to me combat support ships would fall into four classes: The first is the merchant ship that hauls the bullets and beans from the Coalition to forward supply depots. The second is what I believe the US Navy calls an AOR, this ship would bring the bullets and beans from the supply depots to a rendezvous with the ships that need the supplies. Third is a depot ship, during WW2 the US navy used these to shorten the turnaround for its submarines. These ships would have repair facilities supplies and R&R facilities. The fourth is either a troop transport like the US navy's Tarawa class with its Harriers, and Apache helicopters (orbit to ground fighters and attack speeders?). Or an anti-ship-ship. A ship with a huge mason gun or particle accelerator and a lot of missiles (both anti ship and anti ground).
The Wilds Support Ship: Here I can picture a Coalition version of USS Hope. Or maybe a ship or ship transportable +400 D Ton pod. The pod could carry a medical facility, school, or a small but instant class C starport. In this last case the ship would be a pod carrier. If an epidemic sprung up it could carry a medical facility pod to the location of the epidemic. To support a bootstrap mission a pod with a school for both children and adults who would learn advanced techniques in anything from agriculture to engineering.
This is a interesting idea. It might be the basis of another contest.
Set up the specs you think would be needed and Jain's Astro Architects stand ready with sharp pencils to design to the best of their ability.
Roger
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