"They've gone plaid."
On Monday, April 7, 2014 4:22 PM, "" <> wrote:
Jean-Claude Van Damme could beat up Chuck Norris, because he has an
INVISIBLE beard.
And Bruce Lee could beat up both of them because ALL of his body hair is
invisible, and he's still alive and he is teaching Elvis Presley the
secret Hwaaa-Chong! where you can pull out your opponent's beating heart.
And put it on a peanut butter and banana sandwich. And accelerate it to
near C and its mass would increase to near infinity and therefore feed the
entire universe with one peanut butter and banana and still-beating heart
sandwich. Bet you Traveller guys never thought of that.
> You forgot the mystical powers of Chuck Norris' beard, but that pretty
> much sums it up.
>
> Derek Stanley
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Apr 7, 2014, at 3:25 PM, wrote:
>>
>> X-ray lasers for space combat would never happen, because all anyone
>> needs
>> to do is accelerate enough rocks to C and clear a system out. Also,
>> these
>> rocks are filled with nanites that will drop off and rebuild everything
>> that is destroyed by the C rocks, but under your ownership. Traveller
>> is
>> stupid because it doesn't know what nanites can do.
>>
>> Or Holodecks. Holodecks can take over the world, because Sherlock
>> Holmes
>> and Einstein live inside it, and they would take over the world and find
>> a
>> solution to the nanite plague. Traveller is stupid because it doesn't
>> have
>> holodecks taking over the world.
>>
>> Also, "nanite" doesn't mean "really, really, a thousand times really
>> small
>> machines," it means things baked by my Nana. She bakes a mean nanite
>> pie.
>> Traveller doesn't have nanite pies. There's not even a pie-design
>> sequence
>> in FF&S. There's not even an oven-design sequence in FF&S. Your FF&S is
>> all forked up.
>>
>> You Traveller guys are so lame, Luke Skywalker could beat you up with
>> his
>> old blue lightsaber, the original Luke Skywalker from Episode IV: A New
>> Hope, when he was still whiny, and Ben Kenobi would be the new emperor.
>> And when people would try to assassinate him, his empty robe would just
>> fall to the floor, and he show up behind them and say, "that is not the
>> emperor you are gunning for" and BAM! give them a quick Jedi
>> nerve-pinch.
>> How logical is that? IMTU everything is cooler.
>>
>> > I thought that there simply weren't enough flame wars and discussions
>> > about near C rocks on this channel. ðŸËâ
>> >
>> > Derek Stanley
>> > Sent from my iPhone...
>> >
>> >> On Apr 7, 2014, at 13:39, wrote:
>> >>
>> >> That's odd, Uxi's reply appears to have pulled forward some
>> >> conversation
>> >> from Derek that I haven't seen yet.
>> >>
>> >> Based on last night's show we must be coming up on Galileo. It will
>> be
>> >> interesting to see if they take the easy/popular way out. Based on
>> the
>> >> time and format I'm sure they won't be able to go into the detail of
>> >> some
>> >> stuff I've read that shows the problems with Galileo's assertions
>> and
>> >> the
>> >> fact that Church scientists agreed with some of what he was saying
>> and
>> >> that the conflict turned on finer points and personalities. Probably
>> >> have
>> >> to be content with finer shades of phrasing than the typical,
>> "Stupid
>> >> Church believed Bible literally," as that's a more recent and
>> largely
>> >> American phenomenon.
>> >>
>> >> DANGEROUS GROUND, STOP TREADING
>> >>
>> >> > The show made him out to be a martyr for astronomy/science (similar
>> to
>> >> hiw
>> >> > Galileo's issues are usually misrepresented) when instead his
>> >> cosmological
>> >> > ideas were more like astrology and based on occultist cosmology.
>> Bruno
>> >> was
>> >> > no scientist and never pretended to be.
>> >> >
>> >> > A viewer without any knowledge will come away with decent science,
>> >> perhaps
>> >> > but a completely dishonest portrayal of Bruno as a man, as well as
>> why
>> >> he
>> >> > burned.
>> >> >
>> >> > - Sent from my SM-N900T
>> >> > On Apr 7, 2014 11:32 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You looked of course at the writers and noticed that the people
>> who
>> >> >> wrote
>> >> >> the original Cosmos wrote this one as well. Well except for Sagan
>> but
>> >> I
>> >> >> guess we'll have to excuse him for not putting his 2 cents worth
>> >> into
>> >> >> this
>> >> >> one. J
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It's been a few weeks since I watched the first episode so I
>> don't
>> >> >> recall
>> >> >> 100% what was said about Bruno but the essence of the individual
>> was
>> >> >> there. Benedictine monk, heliocentric solar system,
>> excommunicated
>> >> by
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> church, thought some crazy things, wandered Europe, burned at
>> that
>> >> >> stake.
>> >> >> The problem with History is it's written by the victors and being
>> >> burned
>> >> >> at
>> >> >> the stake doesn't count as a victory in my mind. Was Bruno a
>> weird
>> >> guy
>> >> >> who
>> >> >> wrote a lot of crazy things? Yes. Did he come up with an idea
>> that
>> >> no
>> >> >> one
>> >> >> else had come up with? Yes.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> To be honest if the average person walked away from the episode
>> >> learning
>> >> >> that the Earth goes around the sun and not the other way
>> around...
>> >> USA
>> >> >> I'm
>> >> >> looking in your direction here... I'd be happy.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://time.com/7809/1-in-4-americans-thinks-sun-orbits-earth/
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> *From:* [
>> >> >> ] *On Behalf Of *Master Uxi
>> >> >> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 11:05 AM
>> >> >> *To:*
>> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [Traveller_TNE] Seth McFarlane
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I haven't watched since I saw the mendacious propaganda on
>> Giordano
>> >> >> Bruno
>> >> >> and its complete misrepresentation of history. Definitely
>> unworthy
>> >> of
>> >> >> Sagan's series.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> - Sent from my SM-N900T
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Apr 7, 2014 10:54 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Heheheh...
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I was as shocked as you when I saw he was a producer months back
>> but
>> >> >> when
>> >> >> I saw an interview with NdGT about it made a lot more sense.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Can't find the original interview but here's one with Seth and
>> while
>> >> I
>> >> >> don't have a ton of use for Family Guy you can't deny he's right
>> >> about
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> lack of Science literacy in the world and if this makes people
>> >> wonder
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> question things well I'm all for that.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://youtu.be/Ua5xqQpZp8Q
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> My 7 year old is kind of on and off about the program, he's the
>> >> poster
>> >> >> child for ADHD and when he's got the focus he's onboard for it
>> but
>> >> when
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> focus dwindles it's difficult for him to concentrate long enough
>> to
>> >> >> connect
>> >> >> the thoughts. Oddly he cheers every time Albert Einstein and
>> Stephen
>> >> >> Hawking are mentioned, although he doesn't really understand what
>> >> >> they're
>> >> >> about they're his hero's for some weird reason. I'll just go with
>> >> it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It probably started when he was about 5 and I was watching
>> something
>> >> >> about
>> >> >> the theory of relativity on the TV and after this long discussion
>> on
>> >> the
>> >> >> TV
>> >> >> that he really didn't seem to be following he looked at me and
>> said.
>> >> >> "So
>> >> >> they're saying that an object in space bends and twists the
>> fabric
>> >> of
>> >> >> space
>> >> >> around it?"
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> *From:* [
>> >> >> ] *On Behalf Of *
>> >> >> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 10:36 AM
>> >> >> *To:*
>> >> >> *Subject:* RE: [Traveller_TNE] Re: TNE - Stellar failure
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank
>> >> hated
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with
>> the
>> >> >> horrible
>> >> >> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an
>> >> excuse
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I
>> >> >> initially
>> >> >> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I remember some early pre-TNE conversations where Frank saw the
>> Hard
>> >> >> Times, post-Rebellion, eventually Collapse dynamic as an in-game
>> >> "silver
>> >> >> lining" way to get rid of those worlds.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Not an invalid thought, but you'd still have players and RC going
>> to
>> >> >> them
>> >> >> to scrounge vacuum-preserved goodies. And there was also the
>> dynamic
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> star change introduced into it. In addition to the Hi-Pop airless
>> >> rocks
>> >> >> you also had the Hi-Pop worlds with atmospheres around stars with
>> no
>> >> >> habitable zones, which worked out almost the same way, because
>> you
>> >> still
>> >> >> had to put the population under domes or underground to provide
>> >> >> artificial
>> >> >> heat. Fixing the stars would allow them to survive without
>> >> technology,
>> >> >> but
>> >> >> would require the "Collapser" to remember to fix the star before
>> >> >> applying
>> >> >> "Collapsing." That is the way it ought to have been done. Maybe
>> the
>> >> >> Gelinas article Alan mentioned in Challenge 77 goes into that, as
>> I
>> >> am
>> >> >> clearly leery of saying, "this is what we did, and we succeeded,"
>> >> where
>> >> >> that dynamic is involved.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> By the way, I had the TV on last night and watched some of the
>> new
>> >> >> "Cosmos" series on Fox, and I realized what the root of all my
>> >> problems
>> >> >> is.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The executive producer of the new "Cosmos" is Seth McFarlane
>> (Family
>> >> >> Guy,
>> >> >> American Dad, Cleveland Show).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Clearly, everything that I thought I knew about anything is
>> wrong.
>> >> Just
>> >> >> wrong.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > ÃË Oh look, there's Alell. Never mind, DED, we found it.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Oh look, there is a big ol' screw-up on me.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The physical characteristics of Alell are 467. So, yes, indeed,
>> it
>> >> >> should
>> >> >> > have had one of its stars increased to be F-K. I probably
>> should
>> >> have
>> >> >> made
>> >> >> > it have stellar data of "K7V M7V". I dunno why I screwed it up.
>> >> Maybe
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> > thought two M7Vs in a tight formation would have produced
>> enough
>> >> heat?
>> >> >> > Regardless, I should have definitely bumped it. Maybe I could
>> have
>> >> >> swapped
>> >> >> > it around with Boughene and make Boughene be an M7V, and Alell
>> be
>> >> a
>> >> >> K7V
>> >> >> > M7V
>> >> >> > so as to try and keep the distribution a little more like the
>> >> >> original.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank
>> >> hated
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with
>> the
>> >> >> horrible
>> >> >> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an
>> >> excuse
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I
>> >> >> initially
>> >> >> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Mike West
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>
On Monday, April 7, 2014 4:22 PM, "" <> wrote:
Jean-Claude Van Damme could beat up Chuck Norris, because he has an
INVISIBLE beard.
And Bruce Lee could beat up both of them because ALL of his body hair is
invisible, and he's still alive and he is teaching Elvis Presley the
secret Hwaaa-Chong! where you can pull out your opponent's beating heart.
And put it on a peanut butter and banana sandwich. And accelerate it to
near C and its mass would increase to near infinity and therefore feed the
entire universe with one peanut butter and banana and still-beating heart
sandwich. Bet you Traveller guys never thought of that.
> You forgot the mystical powers of Chuck Norris' beard, but that pretty
> much sums it up.
>
> Derek Stanley
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Apr 7, 2014, at 3:25 PM, wrote:
>>
>> X-ray lasers for space combat would never happen, because all anyone
>> needs
>> to do is accelerate enough rocks to C and clear a system out. Also,
>> these
>> rocks are filled with nanites that will drop off and rebuild everything
>> that is destroyed by the C rocks, but under your ownership. Traveller
>> is
>> stupid because it doesn't know what nanites can do.
>>
>> Or Holodecks. Holodecks can take over the world, because Sherlock
>> Holmes
>> and Einstein live inside it, and they would take over the world and find
>> a
>> solution to the nanite plague. Traveller is stupid because it doesn't
>> have
>> holodecks taking over the world.
>>
>> Also, "nanite" doesn't mean "really, really, a thousand times really
>> small
>> machines," it means things baked by my Nana. She bakes a mean nanite
>> pie.
>> Traveller doesn't have nanite pies. There's not even a pie-design
>> sequence
>> in FF&S. There's not even an oven-design sequence in FF&S. Your FF&S is
>> all forked up.
>>
>> You Traveller guys are so lame, Luke Skywalker could beat you up with
>> his
>> old blue lightsaber, the original Luke Skywalker from Episode IV: A New
>> Hope, when he was still whiny, and Ben Kenobi would be the new emperor.
>> And when people would try to assassinate him, his empty robe would just
>> fall to the floor, and he show up behind them and say, "that is not the
>> emperor you are gunning for" and BAM! give them a quick Jedi
>> nerve-pinch.
>> How logical is that? IMTU everything is cooler.
>>
>> > I thought that there simply weren't enough flame wars and discussions
>> > about near C rocks on this channel. ðŸËâ
>> >
>> > Derek Stanley
>> > Sent from my iPhone...
>> >
>> >> On Apr 7, 2014, at 13:39, wrote:
>> >>
>> >> That's odd, Uxi's reply appears to have pulled forward some
>> >> conversation
>> >> from Derek that I haven't seen yet.
>> >>
>> >> Based on last night's show we must be coming up on Galileo. It will
>> be
>> >> interesting to see if they take the easy/popular way out. Based on
>> the
>> >> time and format I'm sure they won't be able to go into the detail of
>> >> some
>> >> stuff I've read that shows the problems with Galileo's assertions
>> and
>> >> the
>> >> fact that Church scientists agreed with some of what he was saying
>> and
>> >> that the conflict turned on finer points and personalities. Probably
>> >> have
>> >> to be content with finer shades of phrasing than the typical,
>> "Stupid
>> >> Church believed Bible literally," as that's a more recent and
>> largely
>> >> American phenomenon.
>> >>
>> >> DANGEROUS GROUND, STOP TREADING
>> >>
>> >> > The show made him out to be a martyr for astronomy/science (similar
>> to
>> >> hiw
>> >> > Galileo's issues are usually misrepresented) when instead his
>> >> cosmological
>> >> > ideas were more like astrology and based on occultist cosmology.
>> Bruno
>> >> was
>> >> > no scientist and never pretended to be.
>> >> >
>> >> > A viewer without any knowledge will come away with decent science,
>> >> perhaps
>> >> > but a completely dishonest portrayal of Bruno as a man, as well as
>> why
>> >> he
>> >> > burned.
>> >> >
>> >> > - Sent from my SM-N900T
>> >> > On Apr 7, 2014 11:32 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You looked of course at the writers and noticed that the people
>> who
>> >> >> wrote
>> >> >> the original Cosmos wrote this one as well. Well except for Sagan
>> but
>> >> I
>> >> >> guess we'll have to excuse him for not putting his 2 cents worth
>> >> into
>> >> >> this
>> >> >> one. J
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It's been a few weeks since I watched the first episode so I
>> don't
>> >> >> recall
>> >> >> 100% what was said about Bruno but the essence of the individual
>> was
>> >> >> there. Benedictine monk, heliocentric solar system,
>> excommunicated
>> >> by
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> church, thought some crazy things, wandered Europe, burned at
>> that
>> >> >> stake.
>> >> >> The problem with History is it's written by the victors and being
>> >> burned
>> >> >> at
>> >> >> the stake doesn't count as a victory in my mind. Was Bruno a
>> weird
>> >> guy
>> >> >> who
>> >> >> wrote a lot of crazy things? Yes. Did he come up with an idea
>> that
>> >> no
>> >> >> one
>> >> >> else had come up with? Yes.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> To be honest if the average person walked away from the episode
>> >> learning
>> >> >> that the Earth goes around the sun and not the other way
>> around...
>> >> USA
>> >> >> I'm
>> >> >> looking in your direction here... I'd be happy.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://time.com/7809/1-in-4-americans-thinks-sun-orbits-earth/
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> *From:* [
>> >> >> ] *On Behalf Of *Master Uxi
>> >> >> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 11:05 AM
>> >> >> *To:*
>> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [Traveller_TNE] Seth McFarlane
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I haven't watched since I saw the mendacious propaganda on
>> Giordano
>> >> >> Bruno
>> >> >> and its complete misrepresentation of history. Definitely
>> unworthy
>> >> of
>> >> >> Sagan's series.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> - Sent from my SM-N900T
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Apr 7, 2014 10:54 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Heheheh...
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I was as shocked as you when I saw he was a producer months back
>> but
>> >> >> when
>> >> >> I saw an interview with NdGT about it made a lot more sense.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Can't find the original interview but here's one with Seth and
>> while
>> >> I
>> >> >> don't have a ton of use for Family Guy you can't deny he's right
>> >> about
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> lack of Science literacy in the world and if this makes people
>> >> wonder
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> question things well I'm all for that.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://youtu.be/Ua5xqQpZp8Q
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> My 7 year old is kind of on and off about the program, he's the
>> >> poster
>> >> >> child for ADHD and when he's got the focus he's onboard for it
>> but
>> >> when
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> focus dwindles it's difficult for him to concentrate long enough
>> to
>> >> >> connect
>> >> >> the thoughts. Oddly he cheers every time Albert Einstein and
>> Stephen
>> >> >> Hawking are mentioned, although he doesn't really understand what
>> >> >> they're
>> >> >> about they're his hero's for some weird reason. I'll just go with
>> >> it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It probably started when he was about 5 and I was watching
>> something
>> >> >> about
>> >> >> the theory of relativity on the TV and after this long discussion
>> on
>> >> the
>> >> >> TV
>> >> >> that he really didn't seem to be following he looked at me and
>> said.
>> >> >> "So
>> >> >> they're saying that an object in space bends and twists the
>> fabric
>> >> of
>> >> >> space
>> >> >> around it?"
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> *From:* [
>> >> >> ] *On Behalf Of *
>> >> >> *Sent:* Monday, April 07, 2014 10:36 AM
>> >> >> *To:*
>> >> >> *Subject:* RE: [Traveller_TNE] Re: TNE - Stellar failure
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank
>> >> hated
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with
>> the
>> >> >> horrible
>> >> >> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an
>> >> excuse
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I
>> >> >> initially
>> >> >> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I remember some early pre-TNE conversations where Frank saw the
>> Hard
>> >> >> Times, post-Rebellion, eventually Collapse dynamic as an in-game
>> >> "silver
>> >> >> lining" way to get rid of those worlds.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Not an invalid thought, but you'd still have players and RC going
>> to
>> >> >> them
>> >> >> to scrounge vacuum-preserved goodies. And there was also the
>> dynamic
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> star change introduced into it. In addition to the Hi-Pop airless
>> >> rocks
>> >> >> you also had the Hi-Pop worlds with atmospheres around stars with
>> no
>> >> >> habitable zones, which worked out almost the same way, because
>> you
>> >> still
>> >> >> had to put the population under domes or underground to provide
>> >> >> artificial
>> >> >> heat. Fixing the stars would allow them to survive without
>> >> technology,
>> >> >> but
>> >> >> would require the "Collapser" to remember to fix the star before
>> >> >> applying
>> >> >> "Collapsing." That is the way it ought to have been done. Maybe
>> the
>> >> >> Gelinas article Alan mentioned in Challenge 77 goes into that, as
>> I
>> >> am
>> >> >> clearly leery of saying, "this is what we did, and we succeeded,"
>> >> where
>> >> >> that dynamic is involved.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> By the way, I had the TV on last night and watched some of the
>> new
>> >> >> "Cosmos" series on Fox, and I realized what the root of all my
>> >> problems
>> >> >> is.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The executive producer of the new "Cosmos" is Seth McFarlane
>> (Family
>> >> >> Guy,
>> >> >> American Dad, Cleveland Show).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Clearly, everything that I thought I knew about anything is
>> wrong.
>> >> Just
>> >> >> wrong.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > ÃË Oh look, there's Alell. Never mind, DED, we found it.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Oh look, there is a big ol' screw-up on me.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The physical characteristics of Alell are 467. So, yes, indeed,
>> it
>> >> >> should
>> >> >> > have had one of its stars increased to be F-K. I probably
>> should
>> >> have
>> >> >> made
>> >> >> > it have stellar data of "K7V M7V". I dunno why I screwed it up.
>> >> Maybe
>> >> >> I
>> >> >> > thought two M7Vs in a tight formation would have produced
>> enough
>> >> heat?
>> >> >> > Regardless, I should have definitely bumped it. Maybe I could
>> have
>> >> >> swapped
>> >> >> > it around with Boughene and make Boughene be an M7V, and Alell
>> be
>> >> a
>> >> >> K7V
>> >> >> > M7V
>> >> >> > so as to try and keep the distribution a little more like the
>> >> >> original.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On a related through, I noticed in your reply to DED that Frank
>> >> hated
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> > "high-pop hostile" world. I really hate those, too, and (with
>> the
>> >> >> horrible
>> >> >> > upheaval even in the Domain of Deneb/Regency) used that as an
>> >> excuse
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> > ruthlessly crush many (maybe most) of those worlds. (In fact, I
>> >> >> initially
>> >> >> > went too far and ended up putting some of them back.)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Mike West
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>