Relic TL10 stuff.
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On 29 Apr 2014, at 20:59, DEREK STANLEY <> wrote:
> 5am brain barely funtional... Isn't their bd relic stuff the TED's are using?
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> Derek Stanley
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> On Apr 29, 2014, at 4:13 AM, Eamon Watters <> wrote:
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>> Going with TNE, Path of Tears has TL10 Battledress being used extensively - both Kide and Keipes have troops equipped with it.
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>> Eamon
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>> On 22 Apr 2014, at 10:30, Master Uxi <> wrote:
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>>> MT Ref Companion definitely is explicit that battledress appears at TL 13 as a specialized form of combat armor. I would interpret that to mean neither the Ziru Sirka nor Terran Confederation developed battledress as known in the 3I (though leaves room for some more narrow interpretations possible that exclude from general proliferation of TL 10 models possible with FFS) since the same source indicates the Vilani only got to TL 11 and the Rule of Man to TL 12 with the Third Imperium reaching TL 13 around IY 300 during the Vargr campaigns.
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>>> I brought that up since IMTU I had a brief blurb that the Knights of St George originally had TL 10 model developed from Terran Confederation (which would see the dust blown off museum suits in the New Era), but maybe I'll do that backwards... or have the Knights with a modification of a TC cargo exoskeleton or something and the 3I "discovery" was more of a rediscovery or reinterpretation of what the IW to ROM era Knights had.
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>>> On Apr 21, 2014 6:11 PM, "Master Uxi" <> wrote:
>>> Mk 1 mod 1 pg 41
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>>> On Apr 21, 2014 4:50 PM, "Master Uxi" <> wrote:
>>> FFS skeletons with an example start at TL 10. At work so can't check now, but can get a page number later.
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>>> On Apr 21, 2014 4:48 PM, "DEREK STANLEY" <> wrote:
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>>> I've got the Big Blue Book, BBB, that combines a bunch of the LBB's together and it lists TL13, D-tech. I'm fairly certain, TNE / FF&S makes TL12, C-tech, battle dress available.
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>>> Derek Stanley
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>>> On Apr 21, 2014, at 4:32 PM, Master Uxi <> wrote:
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>>>> What books and/or tables are you seeing that in for MT?
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>>>> On Apr 21, 2014 3:02 PM, "Edward Swatschek" <> wrote:
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>>>> In CT/MT battledress was introduced at TL 13. T4 introduces it at TL 12 (the setting's max TL). Ultimately, I think the Rule of Cool applies - battledress is a Traveller staple, so battledress will be available, even if you have to retcon it in.
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>>>> On 2014-04-21, 9:23, Master Uxi wrote:
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>>>>> That would be an interesting tidbit. Anyone have the LBB to check?
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>>>>> Battledress is really limited in its utility before TL 12 or so, it seems. The penalties are really high and the damage they deal more limited (unless small 0.1 to 1-2 kt nuclear warheads are in play which is very Heinlein). TL 14-15 start looking more Iron Man.
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>>>>> It would seem more consistent for the Vilani to have battledress, but to have it in a doctrinally stratified role while the TC could be using it in more imaginative ways.
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>>>>> Perhaps the Vilani used meteoric assault, for example, but factional and/or bureaux rivalries wouldn't allow it flight, or even jump jets (though any ability at stuck would be very limited by TL anyway.
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>>>>> On Apr 21, 2014 7:58 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote:
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>>>>> I’d imagine that they all had it, up to about TL13 it’s probably rare as hell, elite assault troops and such. Beyond that it’s probably much more general issue. But I’m unaware of any official references to it. I think LBB doesn’t introduce Battle Dress till TL13.
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On 29 Apr 2014, at 20:59, DEREK STANLEY <> wrote:
> 5am brain barely funtional... Isn't their bd relic stuff the TED's are using?
>
> Derek Stanley
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 29, 2014, at 4:13 AM, Eamon Watters <> wrote:
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>> Going with TNE, Path of Tears has TL10 Battledress being used extensively - both Kide and Keipes have troops equipped with it.
>>
>> Eamon
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>> Sent from my iPad
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>> On 22 Apr 2014, at 10:30, Master Uxi <> wrote:
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>>>
>>> MT Ref Companion definitely is explicit that battledress appears at TL 13 as a specialized form of combat armor. I would interpret that to mean neither the Ziru Sirka nor Terran Confederation developed battledress as known in the 3I (though leaves room for some more narrow interpretations possible that exclude from general proliferation of TL 10 models possible with FFS) since the same source indicates the Vilani only got to TL 11 and the Rule of Man to TL 12 with the Third Imperium reaching TL 13 around IY 300 during the Vargr campaigns.
>>>
>>> I brought that up since IMTU I had a brief blurb that the Knights of St George originally had TL 10 model developed from Terran Confederation (which would see the dust blown off museum suits in the New Era), but maybe I'll do that backwards... or have the Knights with a modification of a TC cargo exoskeleton or something and the 3I "discovery" was more of a rediscovery or reinterpretation of what the IW to ROM era Knights had.
>>> - Sent from my SM-N900T
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>>> On Apr 21, 2014 6:11 PM, "Master Uxi" <> wrote:
>>> Mk 1 mod 1 pg 41
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>>> - Sent from my SM-N900T
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>>> On Apr 21, 2014 4:50 PM, "Master Uxi" <> wrote:
>>> FFS skeletons with an example start at TL 10. At work so can't check now, but can get a page number later.
>>>
>>> - Sent from my SM-N900T
>>>
>>> On Apr 21, 2014 4:48 PM, "DEREK STANLEY" <> wrote:
>>>
>>> I've got the Big Blue Book, BBB, that combines a bunch of the LBB's together and it lists TL13, D-tech. I'm fairly certain, TNE / FF&S makes TL12, C-tech, battle dress available.
>>>
>>> Derek Stanley
>>> Sent from my iPad
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>>> On Apr 21, 2014, at 4:32 PM, Master Uxi <> wrote:
>>>
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>>>> What books and/or tables are you seeing that in for MT?
>>>>
>>>> - Sent from my SM-N900T
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>>>> On Apr 21, 2014 3:02 PM, "Edward Swatschek" <> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In CT/MT battledress was introduced at TL 13. T4 introduces it at TL 12 (the setting's max TL). Ultimately, I think the Rule of Cool applies - battledress is a Traveller staple, so battledress will be available, even if you have to retcon it in.
>>>>
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>>>> On 2014-04-21, 9:23, Master Uxi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> That would be an interesting tidbit. Anyone have the LBB to check?
>>>>>
>>>>> Battledress is really limited in its utility before TL 12 or so, it seems. The penalties are really high and the damage they deal more limited (unless small 0.1 to 1-2 kt nuclear warheads are in play which is very Heinlein). TL 14-15 start looking more Iron Man.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would seem more consistent for the Vilani to have battledress, but to have it in a doctrinally stratified role while the TC could be using it in more imaginative ways.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps the Vilani used meteoric assault, for example, but factional and/or bureaux rivalries wouldn't allow it flight, or even jump jets (though any ability at stuck would be very limited by TL anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Sent from my SM-N900T
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 21, 2014 7:58 AM, "D. Stanley" <> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I’d imagine that they all had it, up to about TL13 it’s probably rare as hell, elite assault troops and such. Beyond that it’s probably much more general issue. But I’m unaware of any official references to it. I think LBB doesn’t introduce Battle Dress till TL13.
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Edward Swatschek -
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