I agree with your point, I just couldn't help being dumb.
> Agree, far to much of that but I guess what I was getting at is just
> because a planet doesnât have life on it doesnât mean itâs
> un-inhabitable⦠you just have to be there at the right time as far as
> some of them are concerned.
>
>
>
> From: []
> On Behalf Of
> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 10:04 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Traveller_TNE] Re: TNE - Stellar failure
>
>
>
>
>
>> You're assuming that the imperium is only looking for habitable planets
>> with life on them to put roots down on if I'm following you.
>
> THAT'S clearly not true! "Look, an airless rock! Let's move 9 billion
> people here!" :-)
>
>> A planet
>> could be a rock with an atmosphere and water and nothing more
>> sophisticated than random strands of RNA. If the planet only has a
>> 20,000
>> year habitable window that's a lot of time in human standards. Lets face
>> it a few billion years back you could have chucked down a human colony
>> on
>> Mars and started farming there... Possibly. :)
>
> Just because I was curious, I looked this up. The oldest elements of Mars
> surface supposedly formed 4.5 to 3.5 billion years ago. About 4 billion
> years ago its tectonic plates stopped moving and it lost its
> magnetosphere. By 3.5 billion y.a. it had extensive liquid water, and some
> water lasted to "a few million" y.a.
>
> So even Grandfather was too late for liquid water on Mars, to indicate
> what an eye-blink that was. (Homo heidelbergensis, H. rhodesiensis, H.
> neanderthalensis)
>
>> Derek Stanley
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Apr 7, 2014, at 7:06 PM, "Mike West" <> wrote:
>>>
>>> I donââ¬â¢t know if I have the WTH around anywhere, so I
>>> canââ¬â¢t speak to
>>> the tables easily.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On the subject of M0-4 stars working, it is my understanding they can.
>>> (Heck Mire has an M0V, and I donââ¬â¢t think anyone has tried to
>>> change
>>> it.) It was just the dinky red dwarfs that were the issue (e.g. Alell).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If I remember right, the problem with both giants and main sequence
>>> stars O,B,A is that they just donââ¬â¢t last the couple billion
>>> years
>>> required for life to develop. That said, it isnââ¬â¢t as necessary
>>> to
>>> worry about the giants, a s a few habitable worlds around a giant is
>>> cool for the type of SF that is Traveller.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike West
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From:
>>> [] On Behalf Of
>>>
>>>
>>> I still have to loop back and finish looking at the earlier one, but I
>>> think there's still something going on in 3 and 4 based on other
>>> remarks
>>> abo ut M0-4 being too cold, and giants being inadmissible.
>>>
>>> Is it your understanding the using the habitable zones table is
>>> adequate,
>>> or that there is something beyond that?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> Agree, far to much of that but I guess what I was getting at is just
> because a planet doesnât have life on it doesnât mean itâs
> un-inhabitable⦠you just have to be there at the right time as far as
> some of them are concerned.
>
>
>
> From: []
> On Behalf Of
> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 10:04 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Traveller_TNE] Re: TNE - Stellar failure
>
>
>
>
>
>> You're assuming that the imperium is only looking for habitable planets
>> with life on them to put roots down on if I'm following you.
>
> THAT'S clearly not true! "Look, an airless rock! Let's move 9 billion
> people here!" :-)
>
>> A planet
>> could be a rock with an atmosphere and water and nothing more
>> sophisticated than random strands of RNA. If the planet only has a
>> 20,000
>> year habitable window that's a lot of time in human standards. Lets face
>> it a few billion years back you could have chucked down a human colony
>> on
>> Mars and started farming there... Possibly. :)
>
> Just because I was curious, I looked this up. The oldest elements of Mars
> surface supposedly formed 4.5 to 3.5 billion years ago. About 4 billion
> years ago its tectonic plates stopped moving and it lost its
> magnetosphere. By 3.5 billion y.a. it had extensive liquid water, and some
> water lasted to "a few million" y.a.
>
> So even Grandfather was too late for liquid water on Mars, to indicate
> what an eye-blink that was. (Homo heidelbergensis, H. rhodesiensis, H.
> neanderthalensis)
>
>> Derek Stanley
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Apr 7, 2014, at 7:06 PM, "Mike West" <> wrote:
>>>
>>> I donââ¬â¢t know if I have the WTH around anywhere, so I
>>> canââ¬â¢t speak to
>>> the tables easily.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On the subject of M0-4 stars working, it is my understanding they can.
>>> (Heck Mire has an M0V, and I donââ¬â¢t think anyone has tried to
>>> change
>>> it.) It was just the dinky red dwarfs that were the issue (e.g. Alell).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If I remember right, the problem with both giants and main sequence
>>> stars O,B,A is that they just donââ¬â¢t last the couple billion
>>> years
>>> required for life to develop. That said, it isnââ¬â¢t as necessary
>>> to
>>> worry about the giants, a s a few habitable worlds around a giant is
>>> cool for the type of SF that is Traveller.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike West
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From:
>>> [] On Behalf Of
>>>
>>>
>>> I still have to loop back and finish looking at the earlier one, but I
>>> think there's still something going on in 3 and 4 based on other
>>> remarks
>>> abo ut M0-4 being too cold, and giants being inadmissible.
>>>
>>> Is it your understanding the using the habitable zones table is
>>> adequate,
>>> or that there is something beyond that?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>