Of course, thank you. Yeah, "the ship" wouldn't have been a very good
ally, would he? No wonder I was having terrible luck finding it.
> Sandman wasn't on a ship in Vampire Fleets but on one of the Promise
> computer systems in the city/starport. The Midu the PCs start on is "the
> Ship" and was said to have been damaged by a Puppeteer and is
> schitzo/damaged.
>
> - Sent from my SM-N900T
> On Mar 24, 2014 2:27 PM, <> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Mike--
>>
>> By the way, in my failed search over the weekend to find what kind of
>> ship
>> Sandman was (I want to say Midu Agashaam, but would prefer to be
>> accurate
>> than self-indulgent) I came across the 2004 COTI "Ask Dave." I saw that
>> "daryen" was one of the guys asking questions, and in looking at my
>> reply,
>> was concerned that I had treated you brusquely. I am sorry for treating
>> you that way. Not as excuse, but explanation, there were four or five of
>> those, "why are you keeping this from us?" questions and they were
>> wearing
>> me out. Also, all of those anonymous handles made it difficult to tell
>> who
>> were the people who would push me into traffic if given the chance, and
>> who were the TNE fans.
>>
>> Similarly, it is possible at that time that you were irritated with me,
>> from the POV that you had hoped to hear what I had in mind, then you
>> heard
>> the "Dave swore us all to secrecy" thing, so were understandably miffed.
>> You probably saw my note a few weeks back saying, "by the way, that was
>> never true," but back in 2004 it was still to early and I was not going
>> to
>> blow anyone's cover, and having to "take a hit for the team" would not
>> have improved my mood.
>>
>> In looking over the document I was surprised by all that I laid out,
>> some
>> of it I had completely forgotten that I had. Also surprised at how
>> forthcoming I was in the face of what I clearly perceived as a hostile,
>> anonymous audience, and which it to a considerable extent was
>> (definitely
>> anonymous). At the time I didn't get someone's "Are you Aramis?" joke,
>> but
>> I do now.
>>
>> Anyway, if I did treat you roughly back then, you didn't let it get in
>> the
>> way of getting along over here, and I appreciate that.
>>
>> > The reason for the difference is that the "Caddocourt" one came from
>> my
>> > iPad, and the "Mike West" one came from my desktop (like this one).
>> And,
>> > yes, I am "daryen" on both Mongoose and CotI, though I have not
>> frequented
>> > either board much recently.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On the "wild Hivers", it was the discoverers (presumably humans) that
>> > would
>> > be in for the rude shock. I toyed with the idea of one survivor living
>> > long
>> > enough to discover their progeny and attempting a ridiculous
>> manipulation
>> > from shear boredom, or having all of the survivors die off before
>> hand,
>> > meaning the "wild Hivers" would completely develop on their own.
>> Either
>> > way,
>> > they would be low-tech, self-sufficient, and *not* timid. Instead,
>> they
>> > would be "civilized savages" that not only were not cowards, but
>> actively
>> > engaged in conflict when deemed necessary.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Or, just to be truly divergent, the long-lived survivor was an Ithklur
>> > guard, not a Hiver. So, this Ithklur intentionally taught his young
>> > charges
>> > the Ithklur culture, not the Hiver culture. He should be able to live
>> long
>> > enough to train up a half-dozen or so batches of "wild Hivers" before
>> he
>> > died somehow. (Preferably in some sacrificial way in order to further
>> > inspire his charges in the ways of combat!) They would be his legacy:
>> a
>> > giant metaphorical middle finger back to the Hivers.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I also figure that once the Hivers found about it, they would be on a
>> > single-minded mission to sterilize the world before the "wild Hivers"
>> ever
>> > left the planet. They would be both horrified at how divergent the
>> "wild
>> > Hivers" are from the norm and also fundamentally ashamed that any
>> Hivers
>> > were successfully manipulated by their insane subjects. The humans
>> would
>> > end
>> > up having to defend them from possible Hiver aggression. The Ithklur
>> would
>> > probably laugh their butts off, if they ever found out about it. I
>> could
>> > even see the Ithklur refusing to fight the "wild Hivers", as "wild
>> Hivers"
>> > are still Hivers, and the Ithklur never fight the Hivers .
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > It was/is a fun thought exercise, but it still takes a lot of more
>> effort
>> > to
>> > pick the world, set up the timeline, fit it into the history, then
>> write
>> > it
>> > all down. I do need to do it, though.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Mike West
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: [
>> ]
>> > On Behalf Of
>> > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 12:38 AM
>> > To:
>> > Subject: RE: [Traveller_TNE] Dawn League naivete, or, sorry for all
>> the
>> > posts but...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Mike--
>> >
>> > Interesting. Even though both posts came from the same account
>> > (), the earlier one put the alias "Caddocourt" in
>> the
>> > "From" column, but this most recent one put "Mike West."
>> >
>> > Ah, the secret lives of electrons.
>> >
>> > I assume that's you as daryen over on the Mongoose lists. I was trying
>> to
>> > remember what kind of ship was Sandman in Vampire Fleets, and Googling
>> it
>> > took me all over the place. Never did find out what type ship it was,
>> > either. Don't remember what you said, all those aliases blur together.
>> I
>> > did recognize Gypsy Comet as Jim Kundert, though.
>> >
>> > I've read some reviews of RSB that slam me for the small point size.
>> In
>> > terms of "pretty presentation" vs. "more information," I never see any
>> > contest. Do you buy books for information, or for some meaningless
>> > experience that is easy on your eyes? That's what I thought. I wasn't
>> > allowed to up the page count, so that's what I ended up doing.
>> Ideally,
>> we
>> > would have upped the page count and increased the price to cover it.
>> > Probably the ordering solicitations had already gone out so we were
>> locked
>> > in at a guaranteed price.
>> >
>> > Thanks again for the RSB compliments, I truly appreciate them. You
>> > mentioned some of those before, and the reason you know that I am not
>> > scolding you for repeating yourself is because I am the God of
>> Repeating
>> > Himself. Frank used to get on me sometimes that I was "too subtle."
>> Odd
>> > that I could be both that and also have a writing style that torqued
>> off
>> > so many people. I figure I'm about as subtle as a hammer, but it
>> probably
>> > also depended on what voice I was trying to write in.
>> >
>> > I saw a review of RSB on Amazon that loved the poem in there about
>> keeping
>> > the flame, said it was very evocative, and set the feel of the setting
>> > very well. Whenever I did stuff like that I felt some people might
>> hate
>> > the departure from the traditional Traveller Joe Friday voice, but I
>> also
>> > felt that we're trying to write about a future world with real people
>> in
>> > it, and people in that world would do things like wrote poetry, so I
>> gave
>> > it a try. I'm reminded of P.T. Barnum and how they extended that
>> thought
>> > at MST3K: "We don't worry about who will get the joke, we know the
>> right
>> > people will get the joke." I look at lots of stuff I did, from TNE to
>> > Phase Line Smash, and I see that there are lots of people who really
>> "get
>> > it," and others who don't. Would I trade that for a product that would
>> > make 100% of people go, "meh?" Someone could make the point, and I
>> would
>> > take it seriously, that if my writing in a different way could have
>> made
>> > TNE more successful and saved GDW then I should have. Well, I'm not
>> sure
>> > what that way is, in general one can only do what one can in the
>> moment
>> > with the wits one has, and that's past changing anyway.
>> >
>> > I assume, for example, that part of the reason MJD was taken with TNE
>> was
>> > the way it was written. Water several times over the dam, anyway.
>> >
>> > Also, I like the wild Hiver idea as well. One question, though: when
>> you
>> > say, "when they were found a century later it was quite a shock," do
>> you
>> > mean by other Hivers, or humans? Also, and I think this is what you
>> were
>> > getting at, did the larvae grow up without adult Hivers to teach them
>> > Hiver culture, i.e., the adults died or went away and the larval
>> Hivers
>> > evolved their own new Hiver society? If so, what did you have in mind?
>> >
>> >> Yes that was me. Depending on the forum or list, I am called either
>> >>
>> >> "daryen", "caddocourt", or "Mike West". I dunno how exactly that
>> >>
>> >> "caddocourt" gets in there, but, whatever.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I worked with Martin on the 1248 stuff, particularly on the Spinward
>> >>
>> >> States. He even let me help direct what happened there. (No spoilers
>> >>
>> >> here.) It was pretty cool.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> In order to work on the Spinward States, I had to study the Regency
>> >>
>> >> Source Book thoroughly. The more I read it, the more impressed I
>> >>
>> >> became. Not only did you pack in the information (to the point where
>> >>
>> >> some pages had reduced font sizes to make it fit!), but you packed
>> >>
>> >> in a whole lot of stuff *between* the lines. That was impressive. I
>> >>
>> >> know I misread some of that "between the lines" stuff, but even so
>> >>
>> >> the fact that it was there to be read (or misread) was really
>> > impressive.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> My favorite "between the lines" was Norris and his personal life. It
>> >>
>> >> is explicitly stated that he "never found love", but, in fact, most
>> > definitely
>> >>
>> >> did! I am still trying to learn how to write things that well.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> In addition, you set up a lot of loose threads that I had fun drawing
>> >>
>> >> out and expanding. In particular, I had fun taking the Kiskii
>> incident
>> >>
>> >> and turning that ultimate tragedy into a long term benefit for the
>> > Regency.
>> >>
>> >> Trin did not die in vain!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thank you for making a book that I had to read over and over worth
>> >>
>> >> the effort to do so.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Mike West
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From:
>> > []
>> >> On Behalf Of
>> >> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 5:38 PM
>> >> To:
>> >> Subject: Re: [Traveller_TNE] Dawn League naivete, or, sorry for all
>> the
>> > posts but...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Caddocourt--
>> >>
>> >> (I'm doing really well on the whole, "that's the last of me for
>> today"
>> > thing.)
>> >>
>> >> I apologize, but it's hard for me to keep names straight over the
>> long
>> > periods of time on this list with e-mail addresses that don't
>> > necessarily
>> >> show them (mine doesn't either). Are you they guy who threw himself
>> in
>> > front of me saying, "Dave don't listen, you don't want to hear this"?
>> > That
>> >> was very considerate of you, and I recall it fondly.
>> >>
>> >>> "I have always wanted to finish them and put them out there, but
>> just
>> >> never got the chance."
>> >>
>> >> I would say, "my former life in a nutshell," but that would be
>> > incomplete.
>> >> To make it complete, I have to add, "my ex-wife remarried and they
>> live
>> > across the street from Marc Miller." THAT completes my former life in
>> a
>> > nutshell.
>> >>
>> >> And speaking of, "just never got the chance" if I were as smart as I
>> > like
>> >> to believe I am, after all this time I would admit that none of that
>> TNE
>> > stuff is ever going to happen, erase those brain cells, and use them
>> for
>> > something else. I just can't bring myself to do it. I'm just too fond
>> of
>> > all of the little unwritten stories.
>> >>
>> >>> Back when I did the Spinward States sourcebook for 1248, I had
>> >> desperately
>> >>> want to make an otherwise barren garden world the surprise home of
>> some
>> >> mutant Hivers. They would have been the result of the crash of a wide
>> > ranging Embassy ship that got stranded by the Civil War. The
>> survivors,
>> > not understanding either the ecology of the world they were on or the
>> > interstellar situation just waited for rescue. By the time reality set
>> > in,
>> >>> they were already doomed, but they had already made lots of
>> >> 'handshaking'.
>> >>> With no (or not effective enough) predators on the world, the
>> 'babies'
>> >> went on to run wild. The survivors never knew what they had
>> unleashed.
>> >>> And when these 'wild Hivers' we're found over a century later, it
>> was
>> >> quit
>> >>> he shock.
>> >>> Unfortunately, I just couldn't get them to fit in, so left them out.
>> I
>> >> have always wanted to finish them and put them out there, but just
>> never
>> > got the chance.
>> >>> Sent from my iPad
>> >>>> On Mar 23, 2014, at 4:22 PM, Master Uxi <>
>> wrote:
>> > I did have an idea for a colony of Hivers that were evangelized and
>> > formed human style nuclear-esque families near Turin.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
ally, would he? No wonder I was having terrible luck finding it.
> Sandman wasn't on a ship in Vampire Fleets but on one of the Promise
> computer systems in the city/starport. The Midu the PCs start on is "the
> Ship" and was said to have been damaged by a Puppeteer and is
> schitzo/damaged.
>
> - Sent from my SM-N900T
> On Mar 24, 2014 2:27 PM, <> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Mike--
>>
>> By the way, in my failed search over the weekend to find what kind of
>> ship
>> Sandman was (I want to say Midu Agashaam, but would prefer to be
>> accurate
>> than self-indulgent) I came across the 2004 COTI "Ask Dave." I saw that
>> "daryen" was one of the guys asking questions, and in looking at my
>> reply,
>> was concerned that I had treated you brusquely. I am sorry for treating
>> you that way. Not as excuse, but explanation, there were four or five of
>> those, "why are you keeping this from us?" questions and they were
>> wearing
>> me out. Also, all of those anonymous handles made it difficult to tell
>> who
>> were the people who would push me into traffic if given the chance, and
>> who were the TNE fans.
>>
>> Similarly, it is possible at that time that you were irritated with me,
>> from the POV that you had hoped to hear what I had in mind, then you
>> heard
>> the "Dave swore us all to secrecy" thing, so were understandably miffed.
>> You probably saw my note a few weeks back saying, "by the way, that was
>> never true," but back in 2004 it was still to early and I was not going
>> to
>> blow anyone's cover, and having to "take a hit for the team" would not
>> have improved my mood.
>>
>> In looking over the document I was surprised by all that I laid out,
>> some
>> of it I had completely forgotten that I had. Also surprised at how
>> forthcoming I was in the face of what I clearly perceived as a hostile,
>> anonymous audience, and which it to a considerable extent was
>> (definitely
>> anonymous). At the time I didn't get someone's "Are you Aramis?" joke,
>> but
>> I do now.
>>
>> Anyway, if I did treat you roughly back then, you didn't let it get in
>> the
>> way of getting along over here, and I appreciate that.
>>
>> > The reason for the difference is that the "Caddocourt" one came from
>> my
>> > iPad, and the "Mike West" one came from my desktop (like this one).
>> And,
>> > yes, I am "daryen" on both Mongoose and CotI, though I have not
>> frequented
>> > either board much recently.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On the "wild Hivers", it was the discoverers (presumably humans) that
>> > would
>> > be in for the rude shock. I toyed with the idea of one survivor living
>> > long
>> > enough to discover their progeny and attempting a ridiculous
>> manipulation
>> > from shear boredom, or having all of the survivors die off before
>> hand,
>> > meaning the "wild Hivers" would completely develop on their own.
>> Either
>> > way,
>> > they would be low-tech, self-sufficient, and *not* timid. Instead,
>> they
>> > would be "civilized savages" that not only were not cowards, but
>> actively
>> > engaged in conflict when deemed necessary.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Or, just to be truly divergent, the long-lived survivor was an Ithklur
>> > guard, not a Hiver. So, this Ithklur intentionally taught his young
>> > charges
>> > the Ithklur culture, not the Hiver culture. He should be able to live
>> long
>> > enough to train up a half-dozen or so batches of "wild Hivers" before
>> he
>> > died somehow. (Preferably in some sacrificial way in order to further
>> > inspire his charges in the ways of combat!) They would be his legacy:
>> a
>> > giant metaphorical middle finger back to the Hivers.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I also figure that once the Hivers found about it, they would be on a
>> > single-minded mission to sterilize the world before the "wild Hivers"
>> ever
>> > left the planet. They would be both horrified at how divergent the
>> "wild
>> > Hivers" are from the norm and also fundamentally ashamed that any
>> Hivers
>> > were successfully manipulated by their insane subjects. The humans
>> would
>> > end
>> > up having to defend them from possible Hiver aggression. The Ithklur
>> would
>> > probably laugh their butts off, if they ever found out about it. I
>> could
>> > even see the Ithklur refusing to fight the "wild Hivers", as "wild
>> Hivers"
>> > are still Hivers, and the Ithklur never fight the Hivers .
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > It was/is a fun thought exercise, but it still takes a lot of more
>> effort
>> > to
>> > pick the world, set up the timeline, fit it into the history, then
>> write
>> > it
>> > all down. I do need to do it, though.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Mike West
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: [
>> ]
>> > On Behalf Of
>> > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 12:38 AM
>> > To:
>> > Subject: RE: [Traveller_TNE] Dawn League naivete, or, sorry for all
>> the
>> > posts but...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Mike--
>> >
>> > Interesting. Even though both posts came from the same account
>> > (), the earlier one put the alias "Caddocourt" in
>> the
>> > "From" column, but this most recent one put "Mike West."
>> >
>> > Ah, the secret lives of electrons.
>> >
>> > I assume that's you as daryen over on the Mongoose lists. I was trying
>> to
>> > remember what kind of ship was Sandman in Vampire Fleets, and Googling
>> it
>> > took me all over the place. Never did find out what type ship it was,
>> > either. Don't remember what you said, all those aliases blur together.
>> I
>> > did recognize Gypsy Comet as Jim Kundert, though.
>> >
>> > I've read some reviews of RSB that slam me for the small point size.
>> In
>> > terms of "pretty presentation" vs. "more information," I never see any
>> > contest. Do you buy books for information, or for some meaningless
>> > experience that is easy on your eyes? That's what I thought. I wasn't
>> > allowed to up the page count, so that's what I ended up doing.
>> Ideally,
>> we
>> > would have upped the page count and increased the price to cover it.
>> > Probably the ordering solicitations had already gone out so we were
>> locked
>> > in at a guaranteed price.
>> >
>> > Thanks again for the RSB compliments, I truly appreciate them. You
>> > mentioned some of those before, and the reason you know that I am not
>> > scolding you for repeating yourself is because I am the God of
>> Repeating
>> > Himself. Frank used to get on me sometimes that I was "too subtle."
>> Odd
>> > that I could be both that and also have a writing style that torqued
>> off
>> > so many people. I figure I'm about as subtle as a hammer, but it
>> probably
>> > also depended on what voice I was trying to write in.
>> >
>> > I saw a review of RSB on Amazon that loved the poem in there about
>> keeping
>> > the flame, said it was very evocative, and set the feel of the setting
>> > very well. Whenever I did stuff like that I felt some people might
>> hate
>> > the departure from the traditional Traveller Joe Friday voice, but I
>> also
>> > felt that we're trying to write about a future world with real people
>> in
>> > it, and people in that world would do things like wrote poetry, so I
>> gave
>> > it a try. I'm reminded of P.T. Barnum and how they extended that
>> thought
>> > at MST3K: "We don't worry about who will get the joke, we know the
>> right
>> > people will get the joke." I look at lots of stuff I did, from TNE to
>> > Phase Line Smash, and I see that there are lots of people who really
>> "get
>> > it," and others who don't. Would I trade that for a product that would
>> > make 100% of people go, "meh?" Someone could make the point, and I
>> would
>> > take it seriously, that if my writing in a different way could have
>> made
>> > TNE more successful and saved GDW then I should have. Well, I'm not
>> sure
>> > what that way is, in general one can only do what one can in the
>> moment
>> > with the wits one has, and that's past changing anyway.
>> >
>> > I assume, for example, that part of the reason MJD was taken with TNE
>> was
>> > the way it was written. Water several times over the dam, anyway.
>> >
>> > Also, I like the wild Hiver idea as well. One question, though: when
>> you
>> > say, "when they were found a century later it was quite a shock," do
>> you
>> > mean by other Hivers, or humans? Also, and I think this is what you
>> were
>> > getting at, did the larvae grow up without adult Hivers to teach them
>> > Hiver culture, i.e., the adults died or went away and the larval
>> Hivers
>> > evolved their own new Hiver society? If so, what did you have in mind?
>> >
>> >> Yes that was me. Depending on the forum or list, I am called either
>> >>
>> >> "daryen", "caddocourt", or "Mike West". I dunno how exactly that
>> >>
>> >> "caddocourt" gets in there, but, whatever.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I worked with Martin on the 1248 stuff, particularly on the Spinward
>> >>
>> >> States. He even let me help direct what happened there. (No spoilers
>> >>
>> >> here.) It was pretty cool.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> In order to work on the Spinward States, I had to study the Regency
>> >>
>> >> Source Book thoroughly. The more I read it, the more impressed I
>> >>
>> >> became. Not only did you pack in the information (to the point where
>> >>
>> >> some pages had reduced font sizes to make it fit!), but you packed
>> >>
>> >> in a whole lot of stuff *between* the lines. That was impressive. I
>> >>
>> >> know I misread some of that "between the lines" stuff, but even so
>> >>
>> >> the fact that it was there to be read (or misread) was really
>> > impressive.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> My favorite "between the lines" was Norris and his personal life. It
>> >>
>> >> is explicitly stated that he "never found love", but, in fact, most
>> > definitely
>> >>
>> >> did! I am still trying to learn how to write things that well.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> In addition, you set up a lot of loose threads that I had fun drawing
>> >>
>> >> out and expanding. In particular, I had fun taking the Kiskii
>> incident
>> >>
>> >> and turning that ultimate tragedy into a long term benefit for the
>> > Regency.
>> >>
>> >> Trin did not die in vain!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thank you for making a book that I had to read over and over worth
>> >>
>> >> the effort to do so.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Mike West
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From:
>> > []
>> >> On Behalf Of
>> >> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 5:38 PM
>> >> To:
>> >> Subject: Re: [Traveller_TNE] Dawn League naivete, or, sorry for all
>> the
>> > posts but...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Caddocourt--
>> >>
>> >> (I'm doing really well on the whole, "that's the last of me for
>> today"
>> > thing.)
>> >>
>> >> I apologize, but it's hard for me to keep names straight over the
>> long
>> > periods of time on this list with e-mail addresses that don't
>> > necessarily
>> >> show them (mine doesn't either). Are you they guy who threw himself
>> in
>> > front of me saying, "Dave don't listen, you don't want to hear this"?
>> > That
>> >> was very considerate of you, and I recall it fondly.
>> >>
>> >>> "I have always wanted to finish them and put them out there, but
>> just
>> >> never got the chance."
>> >>
>> >> I would say, "my former life in a nutshell," but that would be
>> > incomplete.
>> >> To make it complete, I have to add, "my ex-wife remarried and they
>> live
>> > across the street from Marc Miller." THAT completes my former life in
>> a
>> > nutshell.
>> >>
>> >> And speaking of, "just never got the chance" if I were as smart as I
>> > like
>> >> to believe I am, after all this time I would admit that none of that
>> TNE
>> > stuff is ever going to happen, erase those brain cells, and use them
>> for
>> > something else. I just can't bring myself to do it. I'm just too fond
>> of
>> > all of the little unwritten stories.
>> >>
>> >>> Back when I did the Spinward States sourcebook for 1248, I had
>> >> desperately
>> >>> want to make an otherwise barren garden world the surprise home of
>> some
>> >> mutant Hivers. They would have been the result of the crash of a wide
>> > ranging Embassy ship that got stranded by the Civil War. The
>> survivors,
>> > not understanding either the ecology of the world they were on or the
>> > interstellar situation just waited for rescue. By the time reality set
>> > in,
>> >>> they were already doomed, but they had already made lots of
>> >> 'handshaking'.
>> >>> With no (or not effective enough) predators on the world, the
>> 'babies'
>> >> went on to run wild. The survivors never knew what they had
>> unleashed.
>> >>> And when these 'wild Hivers' we're found over a century later, it
>> was
>> >> quit
>> >>> he shock.
>> >>> Unfortunately, I just couldn't get them to fit in, so left them out.
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>> >> have always wanted to finish them and put them out there, but just
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>> >>> Sent from my iPad
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>> > I did have an idea for a colony of Hivers that were evangelized and
>> > formed human style nuclear-esque families near Turin.
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