--- "Donald McKinney" wrote:
>
> --- "dedtraveller" wrote:
> > Don,
> >
> > Is the 1248 stuff going to be included in the TNE cd? I don't believe that I saw a definite answer over on the TAS boards.
>
> One of the biggest problems is that at the moment, the PDF files are HUGE.
>
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>
> There's just not much room left. Marc wants to put 130+MB of Challenge articles on the CD, and all of that is BEFORE the 1248 material.
>
Yeah, I see that now. Thanks, Don. That's good to know.
> --- "Donald McKinney" wrote:
> >
> > --- "dedtraveller" wrote:
> > > Don,
> > >
> > > Is the 1248 stuff going to be included in the TNE cd? I don't believe
> that I saw a definite answer over on the TAS boards.
> >
> > One of the biggest problems is that at the moment, the PDF files are
> HUGE.
> >
>
> <<BIG list snipped>>
>
> >
> > There's just not much room left. Marc wants to put 130+MB of Challenge
> articles on the CD, and all of that is BEFORE the 1248 material.
> >
>
> Yeah, I see that now. Thanks, Don. That's good to know.
>
Why not a DVD instead of a CD?
That should have more than enough space for anything you want.
> > One of the biggest problems is that at the moment, the PDF
> files are
> > HUGE.
> >
>
Perhaps Marc should be looking at a DVD rather than a CD. I am told that
DVD's hold a bit more data than CDs and most computers these days can
apparently read this new fangled disc.
--- In , "Antony Farrell" <skaran@...> wrote:
>
> > > One of the biggest problems is that at the moment, the PDF
> > files are
> > > HUGE.
> > >
> >
> Perhaps Marc should be looking at a DVD rather than a CD. I am told that
> DVD's hold a bit more data than CDs and most computers these days can
> apparently read this new fangled disc.
>
> Antony
Marc's a CD guy. I'm still working on reducing that size though.
Posted by: "Antony Farrell"
Thu Aug 6, 2009 10:06 pm (PDT)
> > One of the biggest problems is that at the moment, the PDF
> > files are HUGE.
> >
>
Perhaps Marc should be looking at a DVD rather than a CD. I am told that
DVD's hold a bit more data than CDs and most computers these days can
apparently read this new fangled disc.
Antony
====================================
Heh. I have an old pc (Pentium III) and neither of my CD drives can read a DVD. I suppose I could swap one out in favor of a DVD drive, but it wouldn't be worth it to me to do it for one disc. Then again, since I have most of the TNE material, I'm not sure that I'd need to buy it. :)
Heres an idea, how about a 1 DVD or 2-3 CD set? price them the same, then you get it all in, and those who don't have or can't afford a DVD drive don't loose out? just a thought, eh?
--- On Thu, 8/6/09, Michael Jenkins <> wrote:
From: Michael Jenkins <>
Subject: Re: [Traveller_TNE] Re: TNE cd
To:
Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 10:05 PM
2009/8/7 dedtraveller <>
--- "Donald McKinney" wrote:
>
> --- "dedtraveller" wrote:
> > Don,
> >
> > Is the 1248 stuff going to be included in the TNE cd? I don't believe that I saw a definite answer over on the TAS boards.
>
> One of the biggest problems is that at the moment, the PDF files are HUGE.
>
<<BIG list snipped>>
>
> There's just not much room left. Marc wants to put 130+MB of Challenge articles on the CD, and all of that is BEFORE the 1248 material.
>
Yeah, I see that now. Thanks, Don. That's good to know.
Why not a DVD instead of a CD?
That should have more than enough space for anything you want.
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>
>
> Posted by: "Antony Farrell" Thu Aug 6, 2009 10:06 pm (PDT) > > One of the
> biggest problems is that at the moment, the PDF
> > > files are HUGE.
> > >
> >
> Perhaps Marc should be looking at a DVD rather than a CD. I am told that
> DVD's hold a bit more data than CDs and most computers these days can
> apparently read this new fangled disc.
>
> Antony
>
> ====================================
>
> Heh. I have an old pc (Pentium III) and neither of my CD drives can read a
> DVD. I suppose I could swap one out in favor of a DVD drive, but it wouldn't
> be worth it to me to do it for one disc. Then again, since I have most of
> the TNE material, I'm not sure that I'd need to buy it. :)
>
>
>
There's always one, isn't there! :D
Seriously dude, how can you bear it? Go buy an old machine ex-business from
an auction ... it'll be *way* better that what you're using ... <shudder>
:)
Have you checked the price of DVD writers lately? Cheap as! Standard
equipment!
----- Original Message -----
From: Donald McKinney <>
> > >
> > Perhaps Marc should be looking at a DVD rather than a CD. I am
> told that
> > DVD's hold a bit more data than CDs and most computers these
> days can
> > apparently read this new fangled disc.
> >
> > Antony
>
> Marc's a CD guy. I'm still working on reducing that size though.
Well thank god he made it to the 80's it'd be a bitch to get all that on cassette tapes or worse... vinal
> Heh. I have an old pc (Pentium III) and neither of my CD drives
> can read a DVD. I suppose I could swap one out in favor of a DVD
> drive, but it wouldn't be worth it to me to do it for one disc.
> Then again, since I have most of the TNE material, I'm not sure
> that I'd need to buy it. :)
I had a franken-pc for the longest time upgrading this and that as I saw
fit... But I haven't had a P3 for... well a very long time.
> > Marc's a CD guy. I'm still working on reducing that size though.
> Well thank god he made it to the 80's it'd be a bitch to get all that on cassette tapes or worse... vinal
I'd vote for a GOOD OCR copy of everything on a CD, 30-40mb for a mostly text file is scandalous - there should be a 'quality' way to get an ocr scan from old hardcopy
wouldn't that be a little more 21st century than scanned images of pages w/ kinda funky invisible ocr text hiding in another layer??
besides, what if you wanted to read it on one of the new e-ink book readers... ; )
btw, i WISH i could get some of my old albums on CDs or mp3... : )
On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 22:08:05 -0000, "userbimbob"
<> wrote:
>
>> > Marc's a CD guy. I'm still working on reducing that size though.
>
>> Well thank god he made it to the 80's it'd be a bitch to get all that on cassette tapes or worse... vinal
>
>
>I'd vote for a GOOD OCR copy of everything on a CD, 30-40mb for a mostly text file is scandalous - there should be a 'quality' way to get an ocr scan from old hardcopy
OCR reading documents are a labourous process. I once started to OCR
my TNE rulebook. But after spending several hours to correct miss
spelling like "lDiot" to read 1D10 I gave up. And I used at the time
the best OCR software available and back then a quite powerful
computer. The print and the typeface in the TNE rulebook isn't very
clean and the rasterized sidebar boxes are hard to OCR. It takes less
time typing them in by hand.
--- In , Roger Malmstein <starwolf@...> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 22:08:05 -0000, "userbimbob"
> <userbimbob@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >> > Marc's a CD guy. I'm still working on reducing that size though.
> >
> >> Well thank god he made it to the 80's it'd be a bitch to get all that on cassette tapes or worse... vinal
> >
> >
> >I'd vote for a GOOD OCR copy of everything on a CD, 30-40mb for a mostly text file is scandalous - there should be a 'quality' way to get an ocr scan from old hardcopy
>
> OCR reading documents are a labourous process. I once started to OCR
> my TNE rulebook. But after spending several hours to correct miss
> spelling like "lDiot" to read 1D10 I gave up. And I used at the time
> the best OCR software available and back then a quite powerful
> computer. The print and the typeface in the TNE rulebook isn't very
> clean and the rasterized sidebar boxes are hard to OCR. It takes less
> time typing them in by hand.
I have to say... (and I'm just doing errata), the shading makes OCRing tables a &#%&^*&%^*& pain!
Once I have all the official errata in and organized, I'll post drafts around. Then we'll start adding any unofficial items that you folks deem needed.
> >I'd vote for a GOOD OCR copy of everything on a CD, 30-40mb for a mostly text file is scandalous - there should be a 'quality' way to get an ocr scan from old hardcopy
>
> OCR reading documents are a labourous process. I once started to OCR
> my TNE rulebook. But after spending several hours to correct miss
> spelling like "lDiot" to read 1D10 I gave up. And I used at the time
> the best OCR software available and back then a quite powerful
> computer. The print and the typeface in the TNE rulebook isn't very
> clean and the rasterized sidebar boxes are hard to OCR. It takes less
> time typing them in by hand.
yep, i've tried "the Joy of OCR Correction" also... :|
and redoing the spelling was the least of it - you have to wonder where they get some of the gobbledygook characters from - and how they can mangle the paragraph order of a 'simple' one column document - and the tables... < "Oh, the Pain, the Pain..." >
if i could type worth a damn, it just might have been faster
anyone know how Project Gutenberg gets its OCR done??
do they have better software, or do they use multiple volunteers to scan small groups of pages - and then correct them separately?
You know, pdftotext might be a really helpful thing. If you use the -
layout option it will do a reasonable job of converting a page or an
entire file. Of course, you lose pictures bot erratta is about text,
right? ;-)
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 09:28, Charles McKnight <>wrote:
> You know, pdftotext might be a really helpful thing. If you use the -
> layout option it will do a reasonable job of converting a page or an
> entire file. Of course, you lose pictures bot erratta is about text,
> right? ;-)
That only works if there is text data within the PDF..... Which is part of
the issue.