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Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Traveller_TNE] Fusion Exhaust Radioactive or Not?
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>Yes, I almost went into that sidebar in my previous post.
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>HEPlaR is designed so that fusion products are not vented into the
>exhaust. That CAN be done, the same way that in a pressurized water
>nuclear reactor the steam that goes into the turbine is not radioactive.
>The primary coolant that goes through the core passes heat to the
>secondary coolant that goes into the turbines. That's the same premise
>with HEPlaR.
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>HOWEVER, since there is fission/fusion going on nearby, there can be
>leaks. I would imagine that a HEPlaR in poor repair could put out some
>trace radioactivity.
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>> So, why would it be either necessary or allowable for a
>> space ship of any type to be allowed anywhere near an occupied planetary
>> system wilst spewing a radioactive cloud all about?
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>It wouldn't. If you saw one coming to your planet, orbital control would
>say, "you're staying in orbit until you get that fixed." Unless there is
>no orbital control, you're a military ship attacking, etc.
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>If you're asking about fusion rockets, we put that it because people asked
>for them. When the TNE basic rules came out, people assumed that HEPlaR
>WAS fusion rockets (and we may not have had that name yet; we may have
>come up with that name later to make clear the distinction with fusion
>rockets), and when we told them, "no, it's not," a lot of them said, "but
>fusion rockets are cool, we want to be able to play fusion rockets in a
>universe where stardrives are really dangerous and stuff."
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>And we said, "cool, dude, fusion rockets coming up in FF&S. Have a ball."
>Fusion rockets were not intended to be used in the 3I based background we
>are familiar with.
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>Did I answer your question?
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>> Many of our designs assume that because the drive is powered by an atomic
>> or fusion powered source that the exhaust must be radioactive. However I
>> think this assumption is misplaced. True an improperly maintained system
>> could easily vent some radioactives into the environment, but so could any
>> of our current nuclear power systems.Â
>> Yet, the current ones do not habitually cause environmental problems due
>> to radiation. So, why would it be either necessary or allowable for a
>> space ship of any type to be allowed anywhere near an occupied planetary
>> system wilst spewing a radioactive cloud all about?
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>> Your thoughts please
>> Tim
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From: Antony Farrell
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 10:30 AM
Subject: [Traveller_TNE] Alcatraz class in-system prison transport
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>>>Â
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>>>This is a new design which came about when I started reviewing the old
>>> ones on the web site. It could also be used as a specialised boat on a
>>> starship.
>>>Â
>>>Antony
>>>Alcatraz class in-system prisoner transport (QL)
>>>Federated States of Sol (United Worlds Commonwealth)
>>>The Alcatraz class of in-system prisoner transport is another variant of
>>> the Calliope class cargo sloop. The vessel generally carried its
>>> complement of prisoners in cryo-suspension. A small number of conscious
>>> passengers such as prison staff could also be transported. A number were
>>> also used during the Centauri war to ferry critically wounded in
>>> cryo-berths to places where they could be treated.
>>>Â
>>>General Data Â
>>>Displacement:400 displacement tons Hull Armour:24 (6cm Composite
>>> Laminate)
>>>Length:44 meters Volume:5,600 cubic meters
>>>Price:330,693,157 Cr. (including series discount) Target Size:S
>>>Configuration:Cylinder SL Tech Level:9
>>>Mass:(Loaded/Empty) 3,277.6817/2,677.5907 tons
>>>Â Â
>>>Engineering Data Â
>>>G Rating:2G (Fusion rocket, produces 80Mw per G), No Contra-Grav Lifters
>>>G Turns:140, 10 cubic meters each
>>>Atmospheric Performance:The vessel is capable of atmospheric entry and
>>> may manoeuvre at up to 1,100kph. However the exhaust is radioactive.
>>>Maintenance:168 Â
>>>Â Â
>>>Electronics:3xTL9 Standard Computers (0.25Mw each)
>>>Communications:30,000km Radio (1 hex; 1Mw), 30,000km Maser (1 hex; 0.15Mw
>>> each)
>>>Avionics:TL8+ Flight Avionics Â
>>>Sensors:30,000km Passive HRT with folding array (1 hex; 0.06Mw), 30,000km
>>> Radar (1 hex; 4Mw), 3xNavigation Lights (0.0001Mw each)
>>>ECM/ECCM:None
>>>Controls:Flight Deck with 5xWorkstations
>>>Â Â
>>>Armament: Â
>>>Offensive/Defensive:None
>>>Â Â
>>>Accomodations: Â
>>>Life Support:Extended (1.12Mw), Hamster cage (13m radius producing 0.14G
>>> pseudo gravity; contains 2xAirlocks, 31xLarge Staterooms, 12xSmall
>>> Staterooms and 6xCryoberths)
>>>Crew:9 (2xElectronics, 2xManeuver, 1xMaintenance, 2xFlight Crew,
>>> 1xCommand, 1xMedical)
>>>Crew Accomodations:1xLarge Stateroom (0.001Mw), 8xSmall Staterooms
>>> (0.0005Mw each)
>>>Passenger Accomodations:4xSmall Staterooms (0.0005Mw each),
>>> 120xCryoberths (0.001Mw each) Â
>>>Cargo Capacity:464.2 cubic meters (464.2 tons), two large cargo hatches
>>>Small Craft and Launch Facilities:2 TL9 28 cubic meter Skyreach class
>>> aircars or similar with internal hangers (minimal) and one launch port
>>> each Â
>>>Airlocks:4xAirlocks Â
>>>Additional Fittings:None Â
>>>Design Notes:Fuel purification equipment is sufficient to purify 700
>>> cubic meters of L-Hyd in 6 hours. Fuel scoop capacity is 1,120 cubic
>>> meters of L-Hyd per hour (1.25 hours to refuel exclusive of power plant
>>> fuel.)
>>>
>>>Â
>>>Â
>>>Operational Notes: Normally used as an orbit to prison transport vessel
>>> with some cargo capacity. The radioactive exhaust was generally not
>>> considered a problem as most prisons were constructed on/in asteroids or
>>> on bodies which were either airless or the atmosphere was already
>>> poisonous to human life.
>>>Â Â
>>>DAMAGE TABLES:
>>>Area Surface Hits Internal Explosion Systems
>>>1 1-8:Ant Hold FPP-9H, MD-9H,
>>>2-3 Â Hold LS-4H, ELS-2H,
>>>4-7 Â Qtrs Hanger-1H, LSR-1H,
>>>8-9 1-5:CH Hold PP-1H, Radar-1H,
>>>10 1:AL,2-9:LP 1-13:Qtrs,14-19:Elec,20:Hold AG-1H, SSR-(2h),
>>>11 Â 1-13:Qtrs,14-20:Hold All others-(1h)
>>>12,15 1:AL 1-13:Qtrs,14-20:Eng Â
>>>13-14 Â 1-13:Qtrs,14-20:Eng Â
>>>16-17,19 Â 1-9:Eng,10-20:Hold Â
>>>18 1:AL Eng Â
>>>20 Â Eng Â
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Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Traveller_TNE] Fusion Exhaust Radioactive or Not?
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>Yes, I almost went into that sidebar in my previous post.
>
>HEPlaR is designed so that fusion products are not vented into the
>exhaust. That CAN be done, the same way that in a pressurized water
>nuclear reactor the steam that goes into the turbine is not radioactive.
>The primary coolant that goes through the core passes heat to the
>secondary coolant that goes into the turbines. That's the same premise
>with HEPlaR.
>
>HOWEVER, since there is fission/fusion going on nearby, there can be
>leaks. I would imagine that a HEPlaR in poor repair could put out some
>trace radioactivity.
>
>> So, why would it be either necessary or allowable for a
>> space ship of any type to be allowed anywhere near an occupied planetary
>> system wilst spewing a radioactive cloud all about?
>
>It wouldn't. If you saw one coming to your planet, orbital control would
>say, "you're staying in orbit until you get that fixed." Unless there is
>no orbital control, you're a military ship attacking, etc.
>
>If you're asking about fusion rockets, we put that it because people asked
>for them. When the TNE basic rules came out, people assumed that HEPlaR
>WAS fusion rockets (and we may not have had that name yet; we may have
>come up with that name later to make clear the distinction with fusion
>rockets), and when we told them, "no, it's not," a lot of them said, "but
>fusion rockets are cool, we want to be able to play fusion rockets in a
>universe where stardrives are really dangerous and stuff."
>
>And we said, "cool, dude, fusion rockets coming up in FF&S. Have a ball."
>Fusion rockets were not intended to be used in the 3I based background we
>are familiar with.
>
>Did I answer your question?
>
>> Many of our designs assume that because the drive is powered by an atomic
>> or fusion powered source that the exhaust must be radioactive. However I
>> think this assumption is misplaced. True an improperly maintained system
>> could easily vent some radioactives into the environment, but so could any
>> of our current nuclear power systems.Â
>> Yet, the current ones do not habitually cause environmental problems due
>> to radiation. So, why would it be either necessary or allowable for a
>> space ship of any type to be allowed anywhere near an occupied planetary
>> system wilst spewing a radioactive cloud all about?
>> Â
>> Your thoughts please
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>>________________________________
From: Antony Farrell
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 10:30 AM
Subject: [Traveller_TNE] Alcatraz class in-system prison transport
>>>
>>>
>>>Â
>>>
>>>This is a new design which came about when I started reviewing the old
>>> ones on the web site. It could also be used as a specialised boat on a
>>> starship.
>>>Â
>>>Antony
>>>Alcatraz class in-system prisoner transport (QL)
>>>Federated States of Sol (United Worlds Commonwealth)
>>>The Alcatraz class of in-system prisoner transport is another variant of
>>> the Calliope class cargo sloop. The vessel generally carried its
>>> complement of prisoners in cryo-suspension. A small number of conscious
>>> passengers such as prison staff could also be transported. A number were
>>> also used during the Centauri war to ferry critically wounded in
>>> cryo-berths to places where they could be treated.
>>>Â
>>>General Data Â
>>>Displacement:400 displacement tons Hull Armour:24 (6cm Composite
>>> Laminate)
>>>Length:44 meters Volume:5,600 cubic meters
>>>Price:330,693,157 Cr. (including series discount) Target Size:S
>>>Configuration:Cylinder SL Tech Level:9
>>>Mass:(Loaded/Empty) 3,277.6817/2,677.5907 tons
>>>Â Â
>>>Engineering Data Â
>>>G Rating:2G (Fusion rocket, produces 80Mw per G), No Contra-Grav Lifters
>>>G Turns:140, 10 cubic meters each
>>>Atmospheric Performance:The vessel is capable of atmospheric entry and
>>> may manoeuvre at up to 1,100kph. However the exhaust is radioactive.
>>>Maintenance:168 Â
>>>Â Â
>>>Electronics:3xTL9 Standard Computers (0.25Mw each)
>>>Communications:30,000km Radio (1 hex; 1Mw), 30,000km Maser (1 hex; 0.15Mw
>>> each)
>>>Avionics:TL8+ Flight Avionics Â
>>>Sensors:30,000km Passive HRT with folding array (1 hex; 0.06Mw), 30,000km
>>> Radar (1 hex; 4Mw), 3xNavigation Lights (0.0001Mw each)
>>>ECM/ECCM:None
>>>Controls:Flight Deck with 5xWorkstations
>>>Â Â
>>>Armament: Â
>>>Offensive/Defensive:None
>>>Â Â
>>>Accomodations: Â
>>>Life Support:Extended (1.12Mw), Hamster cage (13m radius producing 0.14G
>>> pseudo gravity; contains 2xAirlocks, 31xLarge Staterooms, 12xSmall
>>> Staterooms and 6xCryoberths)
>>>Crew:9 (2xElectronics, 2xManeuver, 1xMaintenance, 2xFlight Crew,
>>> 1xCommand, 1xMedical)
>>>Crew Accomodations:1xLarge Stateroom (0.001Mw), 8xSmall Staterooms
>>> (0.0005Mw each)
>>>Passenger Accomodations:4xSmall Staterooms (0.0005Mw each),
>>> 120xCryoberths (0.001Mw each) Â
>>>Cargo Capacity:464.2 cubic meters (464.2 tons), two large cargo hatches
>>>Small Craft and Launch Facilities:2 TL9 28 cubic meter Skyreach class
>>> aircars or similar with internal hangers (minimal) and one launch port
>>> each Â
>>>Airlocks:4xAirlocks Â
>>>Additional Fittings:None Â
>>>Design Notes:Fuel purification equipment is sufficient to purify 700
>>> cubic meters of L-Hyd in 6 hours. Fuel scoop capacity is 1,120 cubic
>>> meters of L-Hyd per hour (1.25 hours to refuel exclusive of power plant
>>> fuel.)
>>>
>>>Â
>>>Â
>>>Operational Notes: Normally used as an orbit to prison transport vessel
>>> with some cargo capacity. The radioactive exhaust was generally not
>>> considered a problem as most prisons were constructed on/in asteroids or
>>> on bodies which were either airless or the atmosphere was already
>>> poisonous to human life.
>>>Â Â
>>>DAMAGE TABLES:
>>>Area Surface Hits Internal Explosion Systems
>>>1 1-8:Ant Hold FPP-9H, MD-9H,
>>>2-3 Â Hold LS-4H, ELS-2H,
>>>4-7 Â Qtrs Hanger-1H, LSR-1H,
>>>8-9 1-5:CH Hold PP-1H, Radar-1H,
>>>10 1:AL,2-9:LP 1-13:Qtrs,14-19:Elec,20:Hold AG-1H, SSR-(2h),
>>>11 Â 1-13:Qtrs,14-20:Hold All others-(1h)
>>>12,15 1:AL 1-13:Qtrs,14-20:Eng Â
>>>13-14 Â 1-13:Qtrs,14-20:Eng Â
>>>16-17,19 Â 1-9:Eng,10-20:Hold Â
>>>18 1:AL Eng Â
>>>20 Â Eng Â
>>>Â
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