Oh cool, you anticipated my question. This is a good idea. However, I will
have to come back to it tomorrow when my head is more willing.
Oh look, there's Alell. Never mind, DED, we found it.
I like the way you said "no spoilers here" twice.
Okay, I looked down a little bit. Yes, you fixed the companion dwarf by
just bumping it to the same luminosity class as the primary, which I think
I mentioned in my DED reply as the easy thing to do while we were in
there, don't know why we didn't.
In most cases you simply changed the degenerate companion to a V or D.
Since I can't see the rest of the UPP I can't see why you made that call.
I assume you switched to V if it had an atmosphere and to D if it didn't?
Argh, I see you left Alell as M7 V, which as I pointed out to DED, turns
out has no hab zone, and DED already didn't like it that way. Why didn't
you crank it up?
Oh, wait, you've discussed them below, never mind.
I don't suppose you have ever compared the "not far enough" TNE data to
the pre-TNE data so we could work out some kind of score on what % we did
fix?
I want to keep obsessing on this now, but I really need to set it aside
and return tomorrow.
Later.
> To illustrate what I am talking about with the stellar data, let me show
> you
> what I did with the Regina subsector. Do note that, while this is taken
> from
> my 1248 work, there are no spoilers here, as I have stripped out
> everything
> but the hex location, world name, and stellar data. No spoilers here.
>
>
>
> The data is below, but let me highlight what was done for the changes:
>
> - Any star that was size "D" either becomes just "D" or is moved to
> "V", depending on the atmosphere present. So, Alell, Whanga, Regina, Feri,
> Beck's World, and Moughas all get their white dwarf promoted, and Pixie
> and
> enope get their white dwarf outright listed.
>
> - Stars too big (e.g. Menorb) or too cold (Uakye) get their star
> shifted to something more sustainable. In the case of Menorb, its star was
> swapped with the nearby Yres so that the Red Giant star didn't totally
> disappear, but both worlds end up with more reasonable stars for their
> environment.
>
> - Heya and Keng were done a little more creatively, and the stars
> were
> swapped so that the giants would be retained, but the other star could
> actually host the home world. This is an example of a mistake I made, as I
> really should have wiped out the Giants, and at the least, the "good" star
> should have been listed first (as it is the home star of the listed
> world),
> not second. Even so, the attempt was to give the relatively nice world a
> compatible star, but not completely eliminate the Giant that was
> originally
> listed.
>
> - As a side note, the Regina subsector was host to two of those seven
> duplicate names: Kinorb and Inthe.
>
>
>
> This is just an example of what DED and I are talking about when we say
> RSB
> "did go far enough". However, just to stress this to ridiculous extremes,
> this is not really a criticism or complaint. You were the only one who
> ever
> even really tried to fix that stuff. That it wasn't an unmitigated success
> is irrelevant; you tried. We both recognize that effort and salute it.
>
>
>
> Mike West
>
>
>
>
>
> Anyway, here is the data. Note that the "new" is shown first, and the
> "old"
> is shown second. Anything with only one entry wasn't changed.
>
> 1705 Efate K4V
>
> 1706 Alell M7V M7V <- M7V M7D
>
> 1802 Yres M5 II <- G5V
>
> 1803 Menorb G5V <- M5 II
>
> 1805 Uakye K9V <- M9V
>
> 1806 Whanga A1V M1V <- A1V M1D
>
> 1807 Knorbes G3V
>
> 1808 Forboldn G0V
>
> 1809 Ruie G5V
>
> 1810 Jenghe M0V
>
> 1903 Pixie M0V D <- M0V M1D
>
> 1904 Boughene K7V
>
> 1909 Hefry K6 II M6V
>
> 1910 Regina F7V M6V M8V <- F7V M6V M8D
>
> 2005 Feri G4V M3V <- G4V M3D
>
> 2007 Roup F9V
>
> 2106 Pscias K5V
>
> 2110 Yori F1V
>
> 2201 Dentus M2V
>
> 2202 Kinorb-1 G7V
>
> 2204 Beck's W M0V M2V <- M0V M2D
>
> 2205 Enope K6V D <- K6V M5D
>
> 2207 Wochiers F0V
>
> 2303 Yorbund M3V
>
> 2306 Shionthy M4V
>
> 2308 Algine G9V
>
> 2309 Yurst K9V
>
> 2402 Heya M8 III K6V <- K6 III M8D
>
> 2405 Keng M9 III G5V <- G5 III M9D
>
> 2406 Moughas K9V M9V <- K9V M9D
>
> 2408 Rethe G7V
>
> 2410 Inthe-2 F8V
>
>
have to come back to it tomorrow when my head is more willing.
Oh look, there's Alell. Never mind, DED, we found it.
I like the way you said "no spoilers here" twice.
Okay, I looked down a little bit. Yes, you fixed the companion dwarf by
just bumping it to the same luminosity class as the primary, which I think
I mentioned in my DED reply as the easy thing to do while we were in
there, don't know why we didn't.
In most cases you simply changed the degenerate companion to a V or D.
Since I can't see the rest of the UPP I can't see why you made that call.
I assume you switched to V if it had an atmosphere and to D if it didn't?
Argh, I see you left Alell as M7 V, which as I pointed out to DED, turns
out has no hab zone, and DED already didn't like it that way. Why didn't
you crank it up?
Oh, wait, you've discussed them below, never mind.
I don't suppose you have ever compared the "not far enough" TNE data to
the pre-TNE data so we could work out some kind of score on what % we did
fix?
I want to keep obsessing on this now, but I really need to set it aside
and return tomorrow.
Later.
> To illustrate what I am talking about with the stellar data, let me show
> you
> what I did with the Regina subsector. Do note that, while this is taken
> from
> my 1248 work, there are no spoilers here, as I have stripped out
> everything
> but the hex location, world name, and stellar data. No spoilers here.
>
>
>
> The data is below, but let me highlight what was done for the changes:
>
> - Any star that was size "D" either becomes just "D" or is moved to
> "V", depending on the atmosphere present. So, Alell, Whanga, Regina, Feri,
> Beck's World, and Moughas all get their white dwarf promoted, and Pixie
> and
> enope get their white dwarf outright listed.
>
> - Stars too big (e.g. Menorb) or too cold (Uakye) get their star
> shifted to something more sustainable. In the case of Menorb, its star was
> swapped with the nearby Yres so that the Red Giant star didn't totally
> disappear, but both worlds end up with more reasonable stars for their
> environment.
>
> - Heya and Keng were done a little more creatively, and the stars
> were
> swapped so that the giants would be retained, but the other star could
> actually host the home world. This is an example of a mistake I made, as I
> really should have wiped out the Giants, and at the least, the "good" star
> should have been listed first (as it is the home star of the listed
> world),
> not second. Even so, the attempt was to give the relatively nice world a
> compatible star, but not completely eliminate the Giant that was
> originally
> listed.
>
> - As a side note, the Regina subsector was host to two of those seven
> duplicate names: Kinorb and Inthe.
>
>
>
> This is just an example of what DED and I are talking about when we say
> RSB
> "did go far enough". However, just to stress this to ridiculous extremes,
> this is not really a criticism or complaint. You were the only one who
> ever
> even really tried to fix that stuff. That it wasn't an unmitigated success
> is irrelevant; you tried. We both recognize that effort and salute it.
>
>
>
> Mike West
>
>
>
>
>
> Anyway, here is the data. Note that the "new" is shown first, and the
> "old"
> is shown second. Anything with only one entry wasn't changed.
>
> 1705 Efate K4V
>
> 1706 Alell M7V M7V <- M7V M7D
>
> 1802 Yres M5 II <- G5V
>
> 1803 Menorb G5V <- M5 II
>
> 1805 Uakye K9V <- M9V
>
> 1806 Whanga A1V M1V <- A1V M1D
>
> 1807 Knorbes G3V
>
> 1808 Forboldn G0V
>
> 1809 Ruie G5V
>
> 1810 Jenghe M0V
>
> 1903 Pixie M0V D <- M0V M1D
>
> 1904 Boughene K7V
>
> 1909 Hefry K6 II M6V
>
> 1910 Regina F7V M6V M8V <- F7V M6V M8D
>
> 2005 Feri G4V M3V <- G4V M3D
>
> 2007 Roup F9V
>
> 2106 Pscias K5V
>
> 2110 Yori F1V
>
> 2201 Dentus M2V
>
> 2202 Kinorb-1 G7V
>
> 2204 Beck's W M0V M2V <- M0V M2D
>
> 2205 Enope K6V D <- K6V M5D
>
> 2207 Wochiers F0V
>
> 2303 Yorbund M3V
>
> 2306 Shionthy M4V
>
> 2308 Algine G9V
>
> 2309 Yurst K9V
>
> 2402 Heya M8 III K6V <- K6 III M8D
>
> 2405 Keng M9 III G5V <- G5 III M9D
>
> 2406 Moughas K9V M9V <- K9V M9D
>
> 2408 Rethe G7V
>
> 2410 Inthe-2 F8V
>
>